Abortion: For or Against?

i am absolutely FOR abortion. i think its every mother's right to abort her unborn child regardless of religion or beliefs. when most women have abortions, the nervous system, including the brain, hasn't developed yet so it feels no pain. so it should be socially acceptable. christianity took that away from women. "pro-life" people should realize that. and i don't give a damn if someone has a problem with it.

First of all, to charlie hector: I dont understand how you can be against abortion (as I am), but then be alright with other people doing it. If its wrong, its wrong for EVERYONE, not just you. By your logic, it would be fine if murder and drug-use was legal, because even though you think those things are wrong, its everyone's right to choose their own life path before they have to be judged before God. Ridiculous.

Let me just make clear what my position is. Abortion is wrong and unjustifiable in any situation. It sounds harsh, but that means ANY situation. A human being is defined as something which has the active potential to be a thinking, choosing organism. That potential is something which is engrained into a human organism from conception. There is never a time during the pregnancy in which abortion is fine. Humanity begins at conception. Once youve realized that humanity begins at conception, that means no situation, no matter how uncomfortable, inconvenient or painful, can justify the murder of an innocent human being. The moral decision is rarely the one with the best outcome. Keep that in mind.

now for "imdbgod", I wanna see if i cant go point by point through your 9 points and refute each:

1. Laws against abortion kill women.

So just because people would still do it if its illegal, it should be made legal? So then robbery and drug use should be legal, because hey, people still do them despite their illegality. Theives should be able to go through the proper channels to take away someone's hard-earned possessions and cocaine and herione should be sold at every corner drug store.

2. Legal abortions protect women's health

Well, first off, women with things like sicke-cell anemia shouldnt be getting pregnant and should exercise a little more responsibility. But, for the sake of argument, lets pretend that she had no say in her getting pregnant. Is there no thought for the unborn child, which is a human itself? Yeah, it sucks she has to be in such a situation; its just about the worst spot to be in. But it doesnt justify murder.

3. A woman is more than a fetus.

What makes a woman more than her child? The fact shes further along in her development? Then i guess it would be fine for her to kill a 6-month old as well. Her ability to think and reason? Again, 6-month old. The issue of abortion is not about woman, its about whether or not the fetus is a human being, and whether terminating it can be justified. If its demeaning, its equally demeaning to men, unless you tihnk women are more human than men are.

4. Being a mother is just one option for women.

I half agree with you on tihs. Of course, not all women have to be homemakers and have to care for children. If the government made a law requiring all women to bear children, I would be 100% with you. But if someone makes the choice that theyre responsible and adult enough to have sex, then they should face the results like an adult, not just sweep it under the rug. And, again concerning rape, as much as it sucks, it doesnt justify murder. Thats just the way it is.

5. Outlawing abortion is discriminatory

Outlawing abortion has nothing to do with trying to trap low-income women into getting pregnant. It has to do with realizing that the fetus is a human from conception, and nothing justifies its murder. All you're doing is shifting the argument from what it is (the definition of humanity and when humanity is achieved) to side issues that become moot points (sexism, discrimination against low-income women, etc.)

6. Compulsory pregnancy laws are incompatible with a free society.

Again, if we were discussing a law in which the government forced women to have sex and get pregnant, id be with you. You're right that pregnancy is a completely private matter, but the murder of the fetus is not, anymore than killing your spouse is a "private matter".

7. Outlaw abortion, and more children will bear children.

Your assuming that all those girls under 20 didnt want to get pregnant. Is it impossible that a 19 year old, say, made the decision to have a child? And you know what: teenagers who are careless and lack proper knowledge have no one to blame but themselves. With the freedom in which people discuss sex knowadays, particularly in the school system, its damn near impossible to get to be 15 and not know how sex works. By your logic, personal responsibility goes out the door and kids dont have to account for their mistakes. Should a 15 year old who gets caught robbing a house or stealing a car not be punished?

8. "Every child a wanted child."

There are more options than motherhood after someone gives birth. Things like adoption and foster care exist for people who DO want a child. And you cant predict what a child's upbringing is going to be like. There are plenty of examples of women who have gotten abortions and then regretted it, and also of women who got pregnant via rape and decided to have the child. There are also plenty of stories of people coming out of abusive households and broken homes who made something of themselves. So dont make it that if the child isnt going to be fully affluent, its not worth being alive.

9. Choice is good for families.

Family planning is good to the extent that a couple should exercise responsibility in knowing when they can afford to have a child. This ties in with how sex works. The concept of sex and pregnancy are intertwined. If you're having sex, then that is a declaration that says you are ready and responsible enough to have a child. Theres nothing wrong with enjoying the act of sex and the intimacy that it brings, but eliminating the child-bearing aspect of it by just saying, "Oh well, I can always get an abortion" is wrong.

I want to just end by saying that you have no concept of what abortion is about. It has nothing to do with women's placement in society and not letting them control if they have children. No one is going into their homes and making women have sex. If it were men who get pregnant, I would be saying the exact same thing. Gender has no real affect on the morality of abortion. I dont care if women have children or not. What I do care about is when they get pregnant, they decide to fling responsibility into the wind and just white-out their unborn child, like its a car theyre not happy with after buying. Thats not how pregnancy works, and I abhor that position. You also have a severely warped view of pro-life leaders. What pro-life leader has opposed proper nutrition and care for children once theyve been born? What leader has opposed proper pre-natal care for the mother and her child (unless you're including abortion as "proper pre-natal care")? Ive never heard of a pro-life leader opposing responsible family planning and sex education. There are other methods than contraception you know. Timing, for instance.

Your fooling yourself into thinking that abortion is the only thing that allows women to have an equal stance in society, and that abolishing it would send us back to the stone age where woman are just child-bearing recepticles. Its fine if you dont ever get pregnant in your life. But once you are, that child is YOURS. There isnt a 9-month warranty on it where you can just get rid of it. You dont have to be a life-long mother, but you are responsible for it. Life's *beep* sometimes, but thats the way it is.

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I'm against. Who are any of us to dictate that a life should be ended before it has had a chance to begin?

It wasn't the lycans. It was you.

First of all, I don't know why such a hotly debated subject is on a movie board. But, I will put my two cents in.

The title of your question is COMPLETELY misidentifying. No One is FOR Abortion. The choices are Pro-Choice and Pro-Life.

No one roots for abortion. That decision a woman makes is the hardest in their lives. No one throws a "Yay I had an abortion party"

That being said. I am 100% Pro-Choice. I wouldn't necessarily have an abortion myself, but I do believe it is every woman's right. For those of you that disagree, I look at you as an ego centric--if we're talking about illegalizing it.

Making it illegal would have irreprehensible and catastrophic damages. And there is proof of that. Look at statistics when it was illegal. Look what women were doing to themselves. It is best for the nation as a whole to keep abortion LEGALized. PERIOD. It is not murder. It is biology.

If your personal beliefs are that abortion is wrong, then by all means, never get an abortion--and teach the ones around you of your beliefs (you have that right) and of safe sex and of other options.

You've said 1% for young teens who have been raped, but what about grown women who have been raped? Surely you can't just limit the abortion rights to people who have been raped. If someone gets pregnant but knows they can't properly care for a helpless baby and it may have a poor quality of like then they should have one. I'm not someone who agrees with people having one without really thinking, say if they're just two teenagers who don't take precautions and think it's just a quick fix but if someone really doesn't want a child and is unfit to care for them then they should have a chance to have an abortion.

Also, you say it's cruel to kill the child, but for early terminated pregnancies, the foetus is only tiny and isn't actually a baby yet. It's hardly murder when the foetus can be as small as 1cm.

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I am for.

Many of you will say that abortion should be allowed in the case of non-consensual, violent conception, but that abortion in the case of non-consensual and non-violent conception should not be allowed.

However, the problem is this: The only difference between these two scenarios is in the *method* of conception. The status *of the embryo*, whose rights are primarily the ones at stake here, does not change in any way between the two cases. The method of conception should not, therefore, change your moral opinion of what should happen to the embryo. But it does, because you (understandably) have sympathy for the mother.

However, if you wish to suggest that rape is a special case so the woman's rights can be considered alongside the embryo's, then you must provide a good argument to suggest that the right of a woman not to be raped overrides the right of an embryo to life.

If you decide to do this, it will be difficult not to allow other arguments that are in a similar vein, because you begin to get on to the topic of a woman's right to her own body and personal space, which is precisely the line that the pro-choicers are taking.



(Please do not think I am belittling rape, I am simply trying to promote philosophical discussion, which is the only way to make any valuable headway in discussions as sensitive and emotional as these).

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