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let's not celebrate bad health


Ok, I really enjoyed the movie.It's funny, it doesnt have skinny women and expresses that you and others must accept you for who you are. Yes, real women have curves, don't look like supermodels nor have size 6. BUT the women from the film are not just curvy, they are quite overweight which is different. It is one thing having curves and another being obese. I have a friend who is overweight, probably less than the protagonist and her doctor keeps nagging her about losing weight for health reasons. Overweight people have problems with diabetes, heart diseases... or simply can not go up the stairs without going out of breath. Since we are talking about realistic individuals let me say that Ana might have a heart attack by the age of 40. It is one thing accepting who you are and another is celebrating a poor diet and bad health.

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Um. This movie doesn't celebrate bad health, nor is looking fat the same as being fat. For instance, I have a female friend who weighs approx. 300 lbs, but is considered healthy because she is not made to be smaller than that.

Many overweight women are not made to carry the "average, healthy" weight. People look at us and think, "Man, she's a heart attack waiting to happen." In truth, we simply can't lose the weight because we are not supposed to. I am generally considered very overweight--if you looked at my scale, you would be appalled--but, my hips and shoulders are also very wide (as are America's. I am probalby about the same size she is.). If you were touch us, you would feel our ribs and hips just as you would with an "average" woman.

"Ana might have a heart attack by the age of 40." So could an average weight person who is predisposed for it. Although being genuinely overweight does increase the chances, it does not necessarily cause it.

Poor diet and bad health are not the problem. Genetics are the problem. Fight genetics! (Just kidding.)



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NOT trying to be rude, but I'm pretty sure that, especially when it comes to women, being around 300 pounds can NOT be healthy. What is she 8 feet tall?
Also, the only problem that I have with this movie (I have never seen it) is the title.
REAL WOMEN have curves.
So am I not a real woman?
I am 21 years old and my metabolism has surely not caught up with me yet. As a young girl I could eat an entire medium pizza from dominos and sleep it off at night. I usually ate 4 bean burritos in one Taco Bell sitting. Yet I had chicken legs and arms and was an excellent cross country runner. I'm not bragging here. I have grown up to be 5-7 and 125. Unfortunately, I was not born with the hips gene, and my metabolism is still at a rate faster than most. I've been asked if I was anorexic ever since I can remember and at state cross country in 8th grade, an upperclassmen teammate told me I was "disgustingly skinny" in my swimsuit. I've never experienced the pain of being called a "fat ass" or anything equally rude to say to someone overweight, but being called disgustingly skinny probably hurts just as much. Its saying you are just that - disgusting.
I have had a problem with my weight for years, although I am healthy, I am skinny (although I much prefer the term thin) I sometimes can feel "disgusting" because people tell me I need to eat or "put some meat on my bones". Ignorantly thinking that I starve myself or work real hard so I can be this skinny. Senior year of high school my goal was to put on weight and get to 130, but that never happened even though I tried. Junior year my track season was pretty rough in my 800 race, I usually dominated the field at the meets in my area, but that year my times dropped significantly (don't worry, senior year was my best ever) and I found out later that runners from other schools blamed my poor times on the fact that I was sick from being anorexic, a friend/runner from another school told me about the gossip.
Not only curvy girls are REAL WOMEN. A real woman is a woman who can embrace her sexuality and body in a positive light and enjoy being a woman. Lately I have started to feel better about the fact that I am skinny with small hips, because I'm not a little girl living in the cruel world of high school anymore. because I've grown a better sense and start seeing the beauty of my body, like my long legs and the little bubbleness of my butt.
While I can understand that was people said, in the movie it focuses on more than just the weight of the woman, the title makes me feel like I should be ashamed of the fact that I am "skinny". Like I should not feel like a real woman because I don't stuff my face until I see an extra chin start to appear. I'm not sorry that society focuses on the Hollywood types because they have fantastic bodies and beautiful faces. Society will also critisize the women in Hollywood nonstop to try and make up for the pedestal they put them on in the first place by making them the "ideal" women and name them "Sexiest Women in the World" Make up you friggen minds already. For just as many sites and blogs there are about Mary-Kate and Ashley Olson being gorgeous bodied beings, there are just as many of them saying they are "too skinny" and "need to eat"
Not all the "beautiful women" of Hollywood are super skinny, and you must realize that many of them are very short/petite. Jen Aniston is only 5 foot 5. Britney Spears 5-4.) And even Britney Spears never had a stick thin body, I've always thought that when Britney was in her prime she had an amazing body and never saw her as being too skinny. (don't say she was because of the baby one more time video, she was 16 then. she was just a kid, in her next video she was noticeably thicker) Elizabeth Hurley, Charlize Theron, Drew Barrymore. These women have never been nor looked "too skinny". Don't say they are too skinny just because they have flat abs rather than a little extra pudge around their midsection.
A real woman doesn't criticize other women for what they look like, weigh or how they live their lives. Unless you know their entire body history, their day by day food intake as well as work out regimin. Unless you know what the cells inside their body do or the genes that run in their family, don't drag them down because they look thinner than you and you feel society has made you ashamed of your larger body.


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if you're really so secure with yourself, why did you feel compelled to write this essay on how unfair it is when people think you're too thin? i always find it funny when people spend ages writing stuff on the internet when it's never gonna make any difference to what people think.

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You know what scene I like in this movie? It's the one where everyone calls her fat and she goes home, loses weight, and looks like a normal person. I love that scene!

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Quote : if you're really so secure with yourself, why did you feel compelled to write this essay on how unfair it is when people think you're too thin? i always find it funny when people spend ages writing stuff on the internet when it's never gonna make any difference to what people think.

Especailly when she hasn't even seen the movie.

We're told to be skinny 98% of the time (note: this is not a real statistical figure). Then for the 2% of the time that we get a different message, certain skinny people can't handle it. Skinny people are great, so are cuvey people. I thought this movie was wonderful and refreshing, exp. the dancing in the underwear scene. I think people who have a problem with this need to have a look at themselves.

I also think it would be useful to seperate out the aesthetic issues from the health issues. This movie seems to be primarily about aesthetic issues. Think about it, you could have a nice-conventionally-sexy body and bulimia, the way you look might be approved of by society, but bulimia is very bad for your health. Even though there may be a correlation between body fat ratios and some medical conditions, it's not a simple one to one correlation. It would be better to say that healthy eating and exercise (and decent self esteem) are cruicial for good health. :)

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You make a very good point thekimberlyclub, fat people are annoying; they should be put in their own country so normal people can live healthy lives.

Sorry, I didn't read your entry, it started out with you stating something and then acknowledging it wasn't a real statistical figure, that just turned me off immediately. So instead of reading wonderful comment, I made up my own idea of what you should have said.

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your joking right?

and just because someone is over weight doesn't mean that they are unhealthy
you can be overweight and still be healthier than someone who is smaller

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i find it funny when people writing on the internet critisize others for writing on the internet too.

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the War Room."
"You jump, I jump, right?"

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I just think people could learn that telling someone that their skinniness sickens them in a joking way is not funny. twice in the past two months a co worker thought they'd tell me that "I'm so skinny it makes them sick" 5-7, 125 lbs...not sickly skinny. its hurtful, rude and just as bad as if you were to mention to someone that they are fat and gross.
I also find it funny that people who write on the internet critisize others for writing on the internet. You obviously read what I wrote so my voice was heard.

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muscle ways ALOT more then fat...maybe shes a body builder.

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my dad is a really big guy and has lower cholesteral and blood pressure then my mother who is a a fairly in shape. soemtimes are bodies are just going to do what they feel like and we just gotta flow with it. not going overboard though.

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my metabolism has surely not caught up with me yet. As a young girl I could eat an entire medium pizza from dominos and sleep it off at night. I usually ate 4 bean burritos in one Taco Bell sitting...
Like I should not feel like a real woman because I don't stuff my face until I see an extra chin start to appear.


It's really hypocritical how you eat a lot and don't gain weight BECAUSE OF YOUR METABOLISM...but then turn around and say that overweight people are obviously overweight because they eat too much. If you had different genes you'd be overweight.
This is a perfect example of how people associate being fat with having no self-control. You're not any different from a fat person in your habits but you blame them for being fat anyway.

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"Poor diet and bad health are not the problem. Genetics are the problem."

Are you serious?! Were there as many overweight people in the world before fast food was introduced? That is such a complete cop-out! Yes, some people gain weight more easily than others due to genetics, but it's not 100% genetics. Even with someone who has a slow metabolism, lifestyle and diet come into the equation. The only people who can not help their weight are people with Prada Willies.

Ana, in my opinion, is not fat. But the other women (there's a couple of them I think) that strip off are! 1 in particular that I remember is OBESE. In no way is being overweight or obese healthy and anyone who says it is has no idea what they're talking about. Being overweight (or underweight) isn't healthy.. no matter what you try and tell yourself!

And talking about double standards, why is it ok to tell a skinny person to "eat a sandwich" but not a fat person to "put down the burger"?

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haha - idiot!
overweight has nottin to do with bad health.
in facct smomin and lack of locomotion are the motor of coronar deseases!!!
look up on wikipedia - even the bmi is just a insurance tool!
and only because fat often statistically correspondences with a no sports attitude etc.
besides - i´m vegetarin and have an athletic body! just if you care and think i´m trying to overdo my own deficites!

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You don't have to be thin to be "healthy." I know aerobic instructors that are "overweight." BMI (Body Mass Index) is often not a good indication of health as once was thought (I was a health science major). Although of course being obese is not good. But the movie was more about the pressures women have to be thin and that You Can Still Be Sexy!

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When Cameron Diaz first appeared in the Mask, she was all roundy and amazing-looking. She has since, lost tonnes of weight losing the freshness on her face and skin. I think her weight now is not her natural weight, but a forced-on image.

Drew Barrimore has always been fuller than the rest of her peers as has Kate Winslet, and they look healthy, with a certain glow skinny girls just lack. Salma Hayek falls in this category too.

The recent concerns about Knightley´s weight(she is naturally thin, but now she looks ill) and so many other celebrities(Lindsay Lohan, Nicole Ritchie, Calista Flockhart, Portia de Rossi) is just incredibly worrying.

I have seen girls as young as 8 already obsessed with their weight when they should be concerned about being a child and enjoying life.

Nicole Kidman, Renée Z, Kate Bosworth ... they all look painfully thin and unhealthy. I don´t mean you have to weigh 200 kg, but there is a thin line between thin and sickly thin.

The other day on MTV I heard a 20-year-old guy claiming his ideal girl had to be "skinny" .... very scary ...

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That is funny you mention Cameron Diaz first, because my boyfriend and I always say she looked way better in The Mask. Selma Hayek is a great example. That woman has curves AND is physically fit and healthy. You don't have to be a tooth pick to live til you're 90, people--nor to look sexy.

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Ana is nowhere close to being "obese". Perhaps you're thinking of one of the other women from the factory. Ana exercises in the film and is not very overweight at all. In fact, she looked very healthy. If she remains the same weight her whole life, I don't forsee a heart attack at 40. I think you have a very skewed way of looking at things.

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To the person who thought that the movie excluded skinny women- I am pretty sure that the title "Real Women Have Curves" refers to the fact that women aren't perfect, Curves, Flaws, Emotions ect. Real women can be bigger or smaller and not always be so nice, like how Ana is in the movie and the other women in the film. I think the movie is more about just weight, but also how women are "supposed" to be and how they really are.

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This is my viewpoint:

1. There is absolutely NO WAY obesity can be put to a virus.
The reasons for obesity lies in culture, retailers and smart marketing by fast-food companies. We ate much better as cavemen than we do now (and the funny thing is, did cavemen have the knowledge and resources we do?).

2. Many people cannot get under say, a size 14 without being seriously unhealthy - it is their genetic weight. Unless very frequent and intense exercise and/or tiny bits of food is a vital part of your job (e.g. trainer, celebrity, model), "NORMAL" people with "NORMAL" jobs cannot lose weight past a certain point without making themselves unhealthy. This maybe hard to accept but it's true.

Scientific things aside (lol - got a bit carried away there), I agree with emccourt, the idea was that real women are flawed and complicated (not simple sex objects) and that the skinny-obsession in Western society is not something to take to heart, even if it is the society you live in.
Better said than done though...

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Shut up and don't watch the movie. jack ass

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thanx hun, but I already have.

By the way, if a post is not to your liking, you can simply scroll in another direction (scroll bar is on you right).

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I'm going to get this movie, because I didn't see the whole movie. Whether you are skinny or curvy, it all depends on if you are healthy or not. I'm only 4'11 and I have to be careful how much weight I gain, because I'm small framed and it will effect my back alot. I already had to lose 25 lbs, because it was effecting my back very badly and caused too much pain to deal with. I did it the healthy way with no pills. I excerised (richard simmon's downtown with a stretchy thing you use) and moderate food by cutting down some calories. I can eat anything really, it's just depends on the woman and her health. You can be curvy and be very healthy and you can be curvy because of your body frame. I think some people are missing the point of the movie. I won't go into it, but it depends on your health. There are women who are healthy skinny or curvy. Most charts go by your height and frame I'm small framed, which means that my frame can only handle so much weight.

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I think they were talking to the originial poster, not you.

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your response kind of upset me. being a person that has battled the fight of obesity and won( or am still winning) i did not consider the women in the movie especially ana to be obese.the women were healthy. ana was healthy. the movie focal point is that there is an inside to women that should be weighed when judging someone and not their exterior appearance. yes we should all work to be healthy, however, the majority of women are a size fourteen. meaning there are going to be curves somewhere. some have them in the breasts, some have them in their hips, some in their thighs, some in their butt, and some in their arms. anything that is not a stick figure is considered to be curvy regardless of a person ebing a size 8 and or a size 16. so my point is, do some investigating to see what obese really menas before you call someone obese. and if you really want to look into things, men have more heart attacks than women. women are meant to have more curves!

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Right it all depends on the woman. Women come in all different sizes. I know a few curvy people who are healthier then alot of other people. Personally because I'm small frame the extra weight would hurt me physically. It's the same if a small framed woman had too large of breasts. Example: Soliel Moon Frye. She's petite, but her breasts were hurting her, so she had them reduced. Same with Roseanne Barr. Some people can handle extra weight. I can't. I don't think the movie exploits obesity at all. Even Rachel Ray says it's in her butt. It's even has to do with your heritage. My mother is shaped like a Pear, My younger sister is overweight and has health problems that she has not gotten taken care of and she has two children. That is what is sad about it. I could never be bulimic, because I can't stand to throw up and I could never be anorexic, because I love to eat! I get really bad stomach aches if I don't eat, because I'm only 4'11 and weigh 100 lbs. I gained 5 lbs and I can't even notice it, but that's just me. It all depends on the person's heritage, genes and how well they take care of themselves. I got the movie a few weeks ago and watched it. I laughed so much. I almost cried though. That movie is inspiring to all women. Just my opinion.

That's great, spit at the fat kid- Vern in STAND BY ME.

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lizznettles, the part in you post about "anything that is not a stick figure is considered to be curvy reglardless of a person being a size 8" is so true (and also about some women having it in their thighs or arms etc). Personally, I am only 115-120 lbs (5'3") and am a size 7/8 (sometimes 5/6 depending on the brand), but yet I'm considered "curvy," because I have the chubby thighs that many women can't get rid of due to hormones. My dad actually comments on me getting fat, even though I'm on the LOWER end (more towards underweight) of what is "normal" on the BMI (body mass index) scale.

What healthy women should LOOK like is sometimes relative and in the eye of the beholder.

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Listen, I hope I don't sound like a therapist or anything, but I think all the women in the world are gorgeous in their own way. The girls I'm talking about are in the 6th grade, ok. One of my closest friends is built heavily, and weighs around 130, but she's got the most astonishing eyes and smile, and she's got guys falling at her feet. Another one of my friends is reaching 5'5'' and around 150, and she's got such a hilarious attitude and sense of humor, you can't help but become her friend instantly. And yet another one of my friends has the fastest metabolism I've ever seen, and weighs close to 60 pounds, but she's the healthiest thing I've ever seen. She's the best forward on her soccer team, she's set her school record for a mile run, and she eats for all 5 of me and my friends. And me? I stand a proud 5'2'', and I weigh a mighty 125. But I've been told I'm "the only white girl with a black girl booty" and I've been told to "use it to my advantage", and believe me I will. I was tormented all throughout last year about my large posterior, but my friends, this movie, and some rather corny "I-Will-Survive" songs got me through it, and now I stand loud, proud, and curvy.

You are beautiful, whether you weigh 60 pounds or 160.

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thank you...the last post was the best one on here in my opinion..the point of the movie is to love yourself for who you are, curves and all. threads like these just make me realize that some people are idiots. not everyone is ment to weigh 100 lbs at 5'6...and i think its hilarious that people see these beautiful women as being fat and unhealthy yet how can you look at say kiera knightly and can't think she looks unhealthy?? im sorry for all the thin women who have to watch one movie where being thin isn't celebrated, and this somehow offends you. try living in a world where you can weigh 130 at 5'5 and still be told you are fat..this movie is lookin @ a different type of body than the typical hollywood prototype and its appauling that it offends you or that you have such a narrow mind that you can completely miss the beautifl message this movie is trying to get across. women are beautiful as they are and it is narrow minded people like you that are responsible for society's eating disorder epidemic.

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"try living in a world where you can weigh 130 at 5'5 and still be told you are fat..this movie is lookin @ a different type of body than the typical hollywood prototype and its appauling that it offends you or that you have such a narrow mind that you can completely miss the beautifl message this movie is trying to get across. women are beautiful as they are and it is narrow minded people like you that are responsible for society's eating disorder epidemic."

That pretty much sums me up. :) I weigh in at about 130 at 5"5, which on the street probably looks healthy, but I'd probably look like a cow in Hollywood. (Which is pretty ridiculous). I love my body- It is my vehicle with which to enjoy the world. And enjoy it I do! I walk a lot, I climb trees, I hike, I hang out with my friends, I draw, and do (most of) my homework on time, and I don't let myself go hungry. If my stomach is rumbling, I'll raid the kitchen and make a yummy sandwhich. I have friends who weigh more than me and have a pretty similar lifestyle. We're all healthy, intelligent, happy, in our prime and lookin' good. :)

I wouldn't say I'm fat at all, so hopefully my comment will not seem at all out of place on this thread. I'm all muscle, partly because of genetics, and partly because I'm fairly active, but I DO have fat, I DO have lumps. And it's normal! I LIKE it there. I like the fact that I have a natural cushion to sit on when I'm tired. I like having a bit of a belly pouch. I like that my thighs have a little extra bounce to them! And honestly? My cheeks look great with a nice layer of fat rounding them out. Hey, if I ever get stranded on a desert island, at least I have some backup energy, right?To sum it up, that's what I love about myself.

What this movie was really about was positive body image and loving the body you have. You are not a slave to your body or to what society expects from your body. You're body is there to support your life. Living your life to the fullest is the most important thing. The more you love yourself, take pride in yourself, and can walk into a room with full confidence in who you are without changing yourself, the easier that is to do.

This movie, due to the title, might have been more overtly about overweight women, and I can understand how thin women might be offended. But the message rings true for all women, "thin", "average", and "overweight."

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I liked what you had to say :)

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It's not celebrating bad health, it's celebrating the fact that women don't have to be tiny to be gorgeous. The girl who plays the lead role is not obese in the slightest - she's bigger than the average supermodel. Why watch the film if you're going to pick holes in the general concept?

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I think the general concept can be missed going solely off the title of this movie. People see it and assume they are saying that only REAL women have curves and that "skinny" women don't. Which of course isn't true. I liked how one person put it, that curves refers as much to body style as it does to flaws, and other issues that any individual can have with themselves.

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