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Erin--a selfish bully with boobs!


Sorry guys, I know this is gonna set a lot of people off, BUT....Erin didn't care about anyone but herself.

She said it best when she told George that people quit talking when she walks in a room to see if she has anything to say. I'm not saying she didn't care about the plaintiffs in the case, but she cared more about herself, being important and looking good.

She didn't care that Ed thought she should dress more appropriately.

She didn't care that George was being left home to raise her kids.

She didn't care when Ed said he was going to have to take out a 2nd mortgage on his house. Remember her reply? "So?" She didn't care whether Ed was inconvenienced or devastated financially, which was a possibility in this case because the outcome early on was not known for sure. Erin had never worked hard in her life...and had no idea what it was like for someone like Ed to work his entire life to accumulate a life savings...and to have a case like this jeopardize that lifetime of work. Nope..she just wanted what she wanted.

She wanted to play with the big kids even though she did not go to school and go through the same life experiences the big kids did, i.e., she was a lawyer wannabe but couldn't accept the fact that she didn't have an education and wasn't on the same level as they.

She was offensive to those who had put in the time to be lawyers so they could play with the big kids. And, while I'm on that subject, if she had the "600" phone numbers in her head, did it ever occur to her that she SHOULD perhaps put them in the files? No..because this was one more way she could control the situation. Only she had the info...what if she got killed or hurt badly? The info wouldn't have been in the file, and someone would have had to start over on it. She didn't care. She felt this kept her in the drivers seat.

Her own perception of her value was obvious when she asked Ed, "Did you tell them that" after Ed told her she was important to him on the case. She wanted constant ego-stroking, either from Ed or the plaintiffs to confirm her own perception of her value.

I found her cussing, screaming rants to be nothing but an additional indication of her instability and short fuse. She was basically a bully with boobs, who couldn't take one bit of criticism. I don't know how Ed stood her.

After watching the movie yesterday for about the 4th time, I decided I couldn't stand the movie anymore. It has finally dawned on me why. I'm glad the plaintiffs won a big settlement, but watching Julia Roberts portray this person is not enjoyable any longer.

Okay, off my soapbox.





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I know this is five years ago, but really?
She said it best when she told George that people quit talking when she walks in a room to see if she has anything to say. I'm not saying she didn't care about the plaintiffs in the case, but she cared more about herself, being important and looking good.

If you take these words at market value, then yes, she's being selfish. However, she is speaking about the respect that she is being given. It's something that she's never had before and if you pay attention, it drives her to work even harder.

She didn't care that Ed thought she should dress more appropriately.

No. What she didn't care about was what the women in the office thought about her. They purposefully excluded her and she didn't care. She was determined to get a job, keep, and provide for her kids. Why should she care if the other women are uncomfortable? And in case you missed it, she told Ed that she would dress however she likes so long as it's ok with him. The line alone showed that she respected him more than her coworkers.

She didn't care that George was being left home to raise her kids.

Actually, she did. She missed her last daughter's first word and countless other previous memories. You see this as she gets emotional during the phone call to George in the car.

She didn't care when Ed said he was going to have to take out a 2nd mortgage on his house. Remember her reply? "So?" She didn't care whether Ed was inconvenienced or devastated financially, which was a possibility in this case because the outcome early on was not known for sure. Erin had never worked hard in her life...and had no idea what it was like for someone like Ed to work his entire life to accumulate a life savings...and to have a case like this jeopardize that lifetime of work. Nope..she just wanted what she wanted.

I have a different take on this. This is not proof that she is selfish. If anything, it proves that she doesn't care what happens to his finances, however, that's not accurate either. Earlier, she said they would figure out the money issues. So when she says, "So..." I believe it was meant as, "We will figure it out because this case is a shoe-in." Furthermore, they are all sacrificing things. Her time with her family and his financial stability. In her mind, they are both on equal footing.

She wanted to play with the big kids even though she did not go to school and go through the same life experiences the big kids did, i.e., she was a lawyer wannabe but couldn't accept the fact that she didn't have an education and wasn't on the same level as they.
You do realize you sound as condescending as the people she probably encountered early on in life, don't you? Formal education doesn't always hold up against life experience. Yet, you give someone a fancy diploma and they think they are God's gift. They are not. Erin Brockovich (the character) was fighting to be seen as an equal and determined to be taken seriously despite her lack of educations. The character acquitted herself quite well, despite her interactions with people who she felt were looking down on her. However, she certainly saw to it that they didn't make the same mistake twice.

She was offensive to those who had put in the time to be lawyers so they could play with the big kids. And, while I'm on that subject, if she had the "600" phone numbers in her head, did it ever occur to her that she SHOULD perhaps put them in the files? No..because this was one more way she could control the situation. Only she had the info...what if she got killed or hurt badly? The info wouldn't have been in the file, and someone would have had to start over on it. She didn't care. She felt this kept her in the drivers seat.

I disagree. She was openly offensive to those who she deemed to be talking down to her. Ed Masry in the beginning, but that was also fueled by her belief that he lied to her. She was offended when Theresa questioned her files because she was in essence questioning her ability to do her job. Erin didn't need to write the numbers down because she knew them. The extra step was unnecessary to her when she was primarily the only one in contact with the plaintiffs.
I am a teacher. I have my own way of doing things and my organization has been called into question numerous times. My classroom is organized in a way that makes sense to me as Erin's files were for her. In fact, I went into labor two weeks early last September and was terrified what would happen to my kids because I didn't get a chance to organize the room in a way that would make sense to a long term sub. Guess what happened? The sub figured it out.

Her own perception of her value was obvious when she asked Ed, "Did you tell them that" after Ed told her she was important to him on the case. She wanted constant ego-stroking, either from Ed or the plaintiffs to confirm her own perception of her value.

No offense but do you have a job? In working within a professional learning community, showing value of each team member is critical and boost employee productivity. Office Space, anyone? Haha!

I found her cussing, screaming rants to be nothing but an additional indication of her instability and short fuse. She was basically a bully with boobs, who couldn't take one bit of criticism. I don't know how Ed stood her.

I hate this generation and their use of the word bully. Hardly anyone knows what it means. Her profanity is interesting but you should pay attention to when she uses it. Very rarely is it with the plaintiffs. Her profanity is used either to defuse a situation (as seen when trying to get the people to sign a contract for Ed) or to blow people away. In the latter, she is most abrasive of her no nonsense personality. Many people don't like people with this particular character trait but in my experience, they are more honest.

I've watched this movie numerous times from high school to college and now as a professional. Now as a parent I see things I've missed. Many films as not multifaceted, but this one is. You can't simply take the dialogue at face value. It needs to be dissected to see the emotion and purpose behind it. Not saying you did, I just think you just saw one side.




I voted for Frenchie and Dia like a sex donkey on Xanax.

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A person could reasonably be accused of being a bully as soon as they resort to making a personal attack of any kind. Whether they're successful bullies or not depends on how the other person feels.

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I disagree.

Erin did care about most of the plaintiffs, she not only knew their personal info but memorized it, because she cared. She was on the side of the victims and not on the side of those that were well educated and had money. Perhaps she didn't write down the info because she was not educated to do so at college, as she didn't go. She retained information in her head rather than putting it in paper. Yes, to most of us, that's irresponsible as she could had died or something and all of that info would had been lost; however, this shows that she simply was not organized. She had probably memorized information all through her life as she had not been properly educated on how to organize and document information. Remember, this was her firs real big job.

The way I see it, is that she had been screwed over by the fact that she was not in the social level of those educated professionals. You saw how they looked at her, they thought she was this obnoxious hooker looking woman. Sort of brings back memories of Pretty Woman.

Fact of the matter is that this was Erin's first time in this world and she was also judging them just as they judged her. Perhaps in her mind, these people had the easy life, as so many people in her position would. Maybe she thought, oh they had their tuition paid by their rich parents and were handed a job soon after graduation and just sit at an office and collect money in their nice suits and go home in their nice cars to their nice homes. This was not her world, so obviously coming in, she had that misconception about them just as they did about her.

I thought her portrayal was very honest and I'm glad the film stayed true to their environment rather than magically transforming her into this well dressed, professional and educated woman, practically over night.

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Gee, MGM, you really are a moron.
Have a nice day now. :)

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Yeah she cared enough to take practically all of the money from the people for her law firm. Shows us how much she really 'cares' for the people she was fighting for. Please, this movie is an abomination to the actual people who went through that ordeal just to have Erin and her lawyer goons take almost all of the money after the courts settled with PGE.

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Agree with OP.

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Methinks the OP has missed the forest for the trees... and has forgotten how to see the soul of the film. Of course she cared, how did you miss in a 4th viewing what is apparent from the first, how guilty she felt about not being their for her kids?

Also, why should she care about petty things like how she is dressed? She isn't changing herself for anyone, and she doesn't have to because she gets the job done. She also doesn't put money first, yes, it'a a bit immature to not take it seriously how much she is making Masry risk... but she's not perfect...

The movie is great, seems you closed your heart and are only seeing things mechanically.


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Uhhh.....excuse me: REALLY nice boobs.

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So...replying to OP for no reason...old post...

Maybe Erin didn't have the MONEY for different clothes.

What she possessed appeared to come from before she had kids.
The "right" work wardrobe was hard for men and women to up and go buy, and it still is, depending on how important certain "looks" are for an unexpected opportunity.

People used to hold their breath hoping for an approval for a credit card, buy what they could look decent with, and still ended up paying min amounts/washing the same clothes in the sink overnight.

Finally, finally, there are consignment stores, and Goodwill locations that have nicer, better quality clothing than anything brand new retail in the area...

Clothes are less expensive now too, but there's often a terrible reason for that
(worker exploitation, loss of U.S. jobs, etc.,)

Still, when a single parent needs a dollar to stretch eleven ways for each dime contained, there is no. extra. money.

Laundry costs money. Taking care of good clothes costs money and time.
Dry Cleaning costs time to go, time to pick up, money, and...we all follow where this is going.


I wondered myself about the meeting with the lawyers, not having the phone numbers in, and then I stopped.

Whether she meant to or didn't know she should, not including the phone numbers was savvy indeed:

-Yes, they were looking to kick her to the curb; she's able to show she has something needed (not just the phone contact info.)

-She now can take the measure of the people in the room.

And, you'll find me agreeing that education is important; but it doesn't come in one approved format. Also, character is formed by many things, and morality? I won't be judging anyone else today.

Although PG&E surely wasn't a surprise.

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Maybe one of the points this movie was trying to make is that some people can and do change themselves whilst also changing the lives of others for the better in the process. An uplifting and positive message at that.

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WHAT boobs? Boobs on Roberts? Are you blind?

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