The Ending (SPOILERS)


Bulldozed so much of the film. I was loving the tragic victory, but then Hackford (or the original writer? I don't know how the novel ends) pulls the "all a dream" thing. Only slightly less bad is the final twist on the ending, which just makes the whole "it's tragic/it's not" thing into a yo-yo. It felt like they couldn't decide which ending they wanted.

Frankly, the extremely downer, but sacrificial and ironically triumphant, ending was - I think - the best one. The other two bait-and-switch endings felt tacked-on and clumsy.

The big shame is that, right up until those last five minutes, I really loved the movie. I really dig supernatural thrillers, and this one was wonderful. Pacino is figuratively and literally on fire in the last sequence, and I really, really liked that Satan wasn't in control, just a master of deception and temptation. He was right: Kevin couldn't actually blame anybody else but himself, which made his final coup d'etat all the sweeter.

The Devil's Advocate also has a bunch of great performances. Pacino does his thing like nobody else, Keanu Reeves is good (I was surprised, too), and Charlize Theron basically rules every scene she's in.

I'll give it this much: the final shot - while still manipulatively yo-yoing (and breaking the fourth wall for the first time in 2 1/2 hours) - was better than just an "it's all good!" happy ending. But it still wasn't as satisfying as if they had just let the film play out the plot it set up.

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I think the ending is brilliant as I don't take the movie literally but metaphorically. To me, Milton is not real only a manifestation of the evil that lives in all of us. Kevin probably saw the devil as his father who he never knew and resented him for this. So he made up this character of Milton as his father who represents his "evil" part that makes him greedy for success no matter the harm that will result in others as a consequence of his actions. I understand that if you take the movie literally it doesn't make sense as Kevin effectively kills Milton at the end but I don't see it that way.

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That's an interesting way to look at it. I feel like if I interpret the movie as literal, he goes through all of these trials and is given a second chance. There's some weirdness with why he's given that second shot and the time-distortion thing (maybe a metaphor for reincarnation or for prophetic visions?) but overall, that's solid.

For me, if the movie was just a metaphor for temptation and evil, I think the ending would iron out some wrinkles, but the rest of the movie would lose power. If it's just a metaphor and a kind of thought experiment Kevin is doing, the power of the tragedies in the film is diminished - for me, anyway.

In my opinion, the movie "wants" to end with Reeves besting Satan at the cost of everything he held dear, only realizing at the end what the righteous path is, and how to choose it. This is tragic, but glints of gold, as his sacrifice stymies a great evil. The "takes it back" ending weakens this and calls the metaphysics of the film into question, but it keeps the valid power of the majority of the film intact.

I'd have ended the movie (I know, it's not fair saying, "Here's my version") with Satan defeated by Kevin, but not killed. His apocalyptic plan is destroyed and his power diminished. Tag on a scene of his law firm losing a major case and Milton furious. Maybe I'd tack on a scene of joint graves for Kevin and his wife. Kevin's mom is there and gets comfort from a possibly-Divine stranger. The end.

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I guess people come to different conclusions based on their own tastes. To me what makes the movie powerful and therefore has more of an impact on me is the moral element. It's not about necessarily having a hero and a villain but the inner conflict the main character is going through. That makes it more interesting to me. But, then again, I can see why some prefer to view it literally. It still makes for an entertaining experience and can at the same time leave the viewer questioning the same moral elements as if viewed metaphorically. I get where you are coming from when you mention that when viewed as the latter it diminishes the impact of the film if you see it as a tragedy that he didn't successfully kill Milton and it was all a ruse to make him believe he did. Having Kevin die at the end (as in he literally died for his sins to save humanity) would have been a noble ending but would have made his character more sympathetic rather than tragic IMO. I prefer to view it as it was originally intended by the filmmakers that evil can't be rid of, that it's on us to make the right choice.

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Interestingly enough, I'd say that the morals and in character is more important to me, too. That's why I like elements of the film like Kevin being the architect of his own downfall - it's his ego and ambition that cause him to spiral, not Milton forcing him. I guess I just felt like that journey would hit a logical conclusion with the "first" end of the film where he suffered for his actions but found something good in the end, and I do like - as you say - the idea that evil isn't permanently destroyed.

My main problem with the ending is that I think it was going for a real hard, harsh ending - the bitter fruits sewed and reaped by Kevin - and I feel like they walked it back, then yo-yo'd it again by having Milton show up a second time. It was like they couldn't pick an ending.

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I have no problem with the ‘all a dream’ ending. It’s in the fine tradition of stories like A Christmas Carol and It’s A Wonderful Life where the protagonist journeys into his soul and emerges with a change of heart.

It’s also in keeping with the mischievous tone of the film - as dark as it can be, there’s a thick vein of playful black humour running through it, as if Pacino’s trickster devil has been telling the story and is fucking with you. Having him break the fourth wall in the final shot to let you know that Old Nick is always out there, ready to tempt you with new delights, was the cherry on top.

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I don't have a problem with the idea of dream endings in and of themselves, but I don't feel like The Devil's Advocate sets up the dream ending as well as A Christmas Carol and It's a Wonderful Life do.

Black humour comes up, but I wouldn't describe it as a black comedy.

Ultimately, of course, if you're digging it, that's cool. But I thought that it waffled on the good/bad ending and introduced elements like fourth wall breaks at the end of the film, which didn't work for me.

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You’ll come around to it.

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Maybe. I try to keep an open mind.

I really liked the movie overall, and I'm not saying the ending was awful or bad, just that it had some clunky or disappointing elements.

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I am not a big fan of this movie.
I agree that the final "twist" was bollocks and out of place.
But also, and this is the main reason why I don't like this movie, before that stupid ending, the last 30 minutes have been such a total downer that I understand the filmmakers trying to lift up the mood of the viewers with this "second chance".

Personally, I would have done things very differently for the second half, with Keanu realizing the situation ensnaring them and maybe he tackles the problem by fixing his own ways.
The whole part where they destroy his wife was revolting, it went too far for my taste for a Hollywood high profile blockbuster.

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Well, I'm not sure I'd say I was a fan of the movie, but I do really like it. But, then again, I didn't mind the downer ending stuff. I liked it as a cautionary tale about the very real problem of selfishness and pride that ruin a lot of people. Yes, the destruction of his wife is appalling, but I felt like that hellish sequence drove home the horrific nature of collateral damage in terms of what a person's self-centred actions can do.

However, I am not going to push the movie; if you didn't like it, that's fair, and I get where some elements might have been very off-putting.

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