I dont understand why she would be so mad at Rita wanting to be in a choir...a religious choir, run by nuns, there are worse things that teenagers get up to!
With a prompter in every window whispering comebacks shy people would have the last laugh
I always thought that if the grade in music depended on the choir (the competition notwithstanding), then the mother would HAVE to let Rita sing. That's it. Otherwise Rita would've FAILED music class.
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It always bugged me that Rita didn't just say:
"I'm already in this class. I either do the work or I fail. If I fail I get held back...and all my work in my other subjects are for nothing. Do you want that mum....Do ya?!"
*Sigh* Maybe she did need to study...Specifically, English: Persuasive writing and debate...perhaps with a side of drama for a really believable delivery. ;)
Her mother was a bitch who harped about how singing wont pay the bills or put food on the table.
the stuff about how the father wasted his time on a musical career etc. what the hell does that have to do with a 17 yr old kid wanting to sing in a school choir?. Rita was just a kid and who knows what she eventually decided to do with her life but its her choice. her mom has no right to tell her not to do so something.
Actually, her mum totally has the right to tell her not to do something. That's what being a legal guardian entails.
Whether preventing her child from participating in prescribed activities relating to their core-curriculum school work is a breech of her duties as a guardian is another matter.
I know there are exemptions for sex-ed, or medical exemptions for certain phys ed activities...but I can't see that relating to activities for music class (at least during school hours)...so I guess she should have been called out on it.
Speaking of which...Why didn't Delores/Sister Mary Clarance, make the non-optional part of choir clear when she visited Rita's mum?
Like: "Your child has stopped attending class and is in danger of failing. Yes...THAT choir...but if she fails, she fails the whole year."
Like others, I've already pondered why Rita didn't take this approach (perhaps too subservient to her mum), but it boggles my mind that a street-smart lounge singer posing as a nun wouldn't be able to pull out that kind of iron-clad rhetoric on the spot.
And was anyone else thinking: Gaargh! That's not how teachers sort things out! They send home letters and if necessary, arrange meetings with the parents of recalcitrant students...sometimes over and over again! Why aren't they doing this???
I love this movie...but I do want to throttle the writers ignoring the most basic tools in an educator's arsenal: Sending letters home to parents.
I disagree. I liked playing sports and if my Dad or Mom had said I forbid you to play.
They had better have a good reason not some BS thing like dont waste your time playing football it wont pay the bills. A lot of people love sports but dont end up in the NFL, or the NBA. lots of kids like singing doesnt mean theyll end up that way. if she loved doing singing and has a beautiful voice , her mother was being cruel and selfish . i would have told my teacher right off regardless of my mother. Ritas mothers reason were bs ,based off her husband being a failure, her daughter is not her husband . so let the kid do what she wants , if shes good maybe she can have a career but she can always pursue other interests too.
So, a thought crossed your mind? Must have been a long and lonely journeyshare
I guess the question is: Would your parents forbid you to do what was necessary to pass Phys-Ed (as compared to extra-curricular sports), if it was a core requirement in that class?
I understand notes saying "I don't want my child to participate in [whatever] sport for this (typically medical) reason"...or even "I don't wish my child to participate in any sport outside of that required by the school curriculum"...but that is not what occurred.
The issue is that Rita's mother was preventing her child from participating in a choir that, under Dolores'/Sister Mary Clarance's directive, had become a requirement for passing her music class.
One could argue that Rita's mother had every right to forbid her from participating in after-school practices and the state competition...but having her quit a choir altogether was essentially dooming her own child to academic failure.
The fact that not a single faculty member thought to at least send a note home explaining that Rita would fail music if she did this, and the potential ramifications for her GPA (or potentially failing the whole year...I'm not sure how things work in the US), is what boggles my mind.
Anyhow, I hope you can understand the distinction.
FYI: This potential plot-hole (and others) aside, I really love this and the original "Sister Act" film, so I'm just raising this issue as a curiosity more than anything.
Her mom was a first class C U N T!
shareactually, some parents 'forbid' their kids to run around in gym due to asthma or something else... meanwhile the kids run around like headless chickens.
I think the mother was confused: the choir, although part of the class, would lead to this competition and then to maybe a bigger career in music, which was a sore subject on the mother.
I take this to be like Carrie White. Carrie's bio teacher couldn't fail her for the reproduction/facts of life areas of the curriculum because her mother forbade her to have anything to do with it and her mother spoke to the school about it.
and you can't fail a student because a parent says no. Most of the students in schools have parents who pay taxes: basically, paying our salaries. We are technically, the employees of the parents.
you also can't fail the entire year in HS due to one class.
Reading the paper can really be depressing. Mr. Dithers fired Dagwood again.
Actually, Rita decided to drop out of the Music class before the choir was started.
But I don't remember that her mother was informed about this.
Really, Rita seemed to be the only student to not be afraid of what her parent would say if she failed Music.
So I can just assume that she knew that her mother wouldn't care if she failed that subject...
What annoyed me is that there was actually a compromise there, and yet it never seemed to occur to anyone. Gigging isn't the only musical career out there. Rita could have become a music teacher, for example -- perhaps one as inspiring to her students as Dolores was here. As a parent, I would be saying to my child that if they want to try and make it as a singer, they first have to do a music degree and teacher training so that they have something to fall back on and a way to support themselves while they try to get their big break.
shareYes, Rita's mother was a total bitch and sorta condescending. I get that she's her mother and wants Rita to do something "better" that will pay bills and put food on the table but if Rita wants to sing then thats her choice and she's doing it for her and only for her.
Some parents make the mistake of trying to build their children's future their way instead of letting their kids do it on their own.
Rita's mother was portrayed as kind of a villainous bitch in this movie but TBH, I get where she's coming from. Rita would've probably dropped everything (under Dolores' encouragement) to try and make it as a singer. So few people find success doing that, I'd probably act like Rita's mother to an extent. I don't think I'd try to stop my kid singing altogether like Rita's mother, but I would most definitely make sure they got through their studies beforehand. In that respect, Rita's mother was spot-on.
Har ring molassis abounding
Common lap kitch sardin a poor floundin.
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Some parents have their personal reasons for discouraging their kid's dreams and talents. A lot of times it goes back to them failing at their own dreams. Others watched loved ones work hard at their dreams and fail. Sadly others are just controlling and mentally ill.
A former friend of mine crushed her daughter's dreams repeatedly and it always puzzled me. Her daughter enjoyed writing the same as my own daughter so when hanging out they'd write stories together and once worked all summer to put together a play with their friends. The girls were about 13 at the time. I encouraged this and helped out as I did the same as a kid. But one day the mother called me saying she felt the girls should stop and didn't want me allowing them to work on the writing anymore when they were at my home. I was so confused as the playwriting as very innocent and nothing interoperate was int it. The story was about horses and their daily lives written like they were people. It was pure innocence. About 10yrs later when her daughter was grown up I learned of some very crazy and controlling rules that went on in this home. The rules in my mind were just crazy. The mother is clearly narcissistic. The sad result has ended up with this mother no longer having any contact with any of her adult kids. The moment they all turned 18 they left. So Rita's mother is not far fetched.
I'm not a crier at all but the final scene with Rita and her mother brought tears to my eyes. Such a sweet moment.
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shareWell, Rita had a strong passion for music. The neighborhood was very focused on the arts, such as drawing/sketching/graffit and music. She didn't want Rita to be stuck focusing on those things and end up the "broke artist" So she wanted her to focus all her energy in the books and become something that could help her get a better life.
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