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After Joe Montana's comments


Ok, so after hearing Montana's comments about this movie, it has really made me hate this movie. But I don't blame Joe, I blame the media and Hollywood. Joe makes a good point: Rudy wasn't the only person on the team to work hard, every player worked hard or Ara would have booted them. What makes Rudy so special that he has a movie about him? Also, Joe pointed out so many flaws about the movie. The end of movie used to bring tears to my eyes but now that I know that everyone wasn't cheering his name and that they carried him off as more of a joke, It really bothers me. Even though I don't blame Joe Montana, I do question his motives as he has many more laurels to rest on than just his time at Notre Dame. But I guess it bothers him that Rudy was nothing special but he stills get a lot of attention like presidential recognition from George Bush. It is above me to question the best quarterback ever. Does anyone else have these feelings toward the movie now?

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They all worked hard for a real chance, Rudy worked hard for no chance at all. Also, movies don't get made about everyday Joe's, they get made about underdogs.

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I wonder if all the first string players giving up their spot for Rudy really happened or not...if it did i highly doubt them lifting rudy off at the end of the game was a joke.

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get your facts straight people;

first i dont know why joe had to talk about this. its kind of rediculous for him to make any comments other than protecting coach devine.

1st. coach devine chose to dress rudy for the last game. rudy was well liked by the senior squad. the sweater scene NEVER happened. Coach devine DID talk to the senior varsity players before posting the list and rudy was on it. Coach Devine was also aware of the promise he inherited from the previous coach to Rudy.

2nd. the coach played him without any chants. there was never a slow clap at practice. rudy was on the list for the last game, therefor he never quit nor dramatically came back. personally i hate the quit scene but it leads to the big talk. i cant respect someone who put in all that effort and quits on the job in the last seconds.

3rd. coach devine was approached by the film makers and they asked him if they could use him as negative character. they sold him on the idea to an extent. this is a coach who thought rudy was a key part of the team and the story was an important and motivational one to tell. he figured a little spice wouldnt harm. he was etremely unhappy with the lengths to which he was made to look like a bad guy. the sweater scene was unacceptable to him.

4th. JOE MONTANA's quote was "kinda playin around, i wont say joke, but playin around". personally i dont take this as an insult. i also dont think its a change from what i figured was happening in the movie anyways. it wasnt a huge game but what rudy did was work from nothing to a couple plays for the team of his dreams in the field of his dreams. The seniors definently knew it was his dream. i dont think it destroys the carry at all. they picked him up like you would a chum after a great success. as pointed out earlier joe didnt have the kind of connection with rudy that the seniors did because he was a 3rd string freshman on scholarship. rudy was a walk on practice squad player with zero athletic ability and was taking the spot of a scholarship player. the seniors highly respected Rudy. the real rudy might be an ass in person or maybe not, it doesnt matter. the guy practiced every play with 110 percent and it was for the love of the fighting irish. Despite getting killed, and even demanding to be hit with full force, he never missed a game or stayed down. the boys respected it. so yes in fun and in salute of rudy they carried the guy off the field. it happens in sport on occassion when someone shows real dedication. the guys knew he was proud to do what the team needed him to. he took his role seriously and played it with the heart most would love to see in a starter.

5th. in closing... in hockey we have something called black aces (borrowed poker reference). black aces are players that cant make the line-up for the game but they are key to good teams. the depth of your black aces and the competitiveness keeps you mentally focussed and ready for the game. now a days the sports world is full of "practice? we talkin about practice?" athletes. some teams, and i will point out that they tend to be the elite teams, still keep black ace lineups to inject into practices to get the compete level up and keep players honest. i will also point out that this is far less necessary in hockey than in football. football is about plays and thus there is much more need for the varsity or starting team to keep their heads in the practice and work honestly, and to see a well executed defense or offense against them. a good scout team only strengthens the team as a whole. if you got one guy who gets killed over and over and keeps coming back because he is dedicated to the team and knows why he is there and what he brings to the team... than others follow the example and have no excuses.

do i really need to say this stuff? to me none of these "revelations" are a surprise. i rolled my eyes at the jersey scene... IF it had ever happened the player starting it would likely be a drama queen. captains normally dont have to do stuff like that to make a coach listen to them. the fact rudy is on the scout team and highly respected means that to some degree the players are benefiting from him and if they are successful than it can be attributed to the whole group including doctors trainers therapists tutors and rudy. the quiting scene made zero sense and came off as pouting which i just dont see happening from the dedicated character. the carry scene i thought was in fun and was more of a team thing than a full team and crowd thing. i blame the director for making the carry seem more than it was. sean saluting the crowd as rudy is a bit much...and i thought this before montanas statements. he played two shifts, more likely is he got carried off high fiving the guys he readied for war every week. it was their thing and no one elses. it came off as rediculous that rudy salute the crowd for his 2 plays... no one is that delusional.

joe montana should know by now that most people are illiterate and cant even quote correctly. its just best to not say anything. if the viewer doesnt think the players were just having fun hoisting and carrying rudy off the field after an otherwise meaningless game, than what the *beep* WERE you thinking? it doesnt diminish it, they werent making fun of rudy. rudy was dressed and played in place of an elite scholarship player for a reason, and they hoisted him in fun for a reason.

there are athletes that want to coast thru practices and there are athletes who want to face the challenges and be prepared. you want it easy? practice with your mom.

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This movie made me think of a Mitch Hedberg quote

I like when they say a movie is inspired by a true story, because that's weird; it means the movie is not a true story, it was just inspired by a true story. Like, hey Mitch, did you hear the story about that lady who drove her children into the river and they all drowned? Yes I did, and it inspired me to write a movie about a gorilla!


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I agree. Montana's the best QB ever. Watching him play was like hearing a concerto with the eyes. But as good a QB as Montana was, he'll never have a soundtrack like Rudy's. That's what he's pissed off about. He wants to be the best QB ever AND have the best soundtrack too. Tough sh!t Montana.

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I totally get where Joe Montana is coming from.

I was on my high school swim team for 4 years. I lettered each year too. There was a guy on the team with a physical handicap. He was a horrible swimmer. But he trained as hard as the rest of the team. His participation in a meet never took anyone better than him out of a meet.

What was annoying was our team became known as the team with the disabled guy who tried really hard and finished his races. The rest of the team was totally ignored and that stung. We were more than a team with a disabled swimmer on it. So, many of us resented how our team was perceived by others.

I totally get Joe Montana wanting to set the record straight.

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Joe Montana everyone!

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As the old saying goes, "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story." I go to the movies to be entertained. I don't think for a single second that any "true story" I have ever seen doesn't have a little (or a lot) of embellishing to make the story more entertaining, no matter if it's at the movies, on TV, or in a newspaper article. If you want the absolute truth to be told, good luck with that. Every story is according to to one telling it. Get twenty people to witness an event and they'll all tell you a different version of what happened.

Here is a partial transcript of the interview with Joe Montana:

Interviewer: Were you there when Rudy was there?

Montana: Yeah. It's a movie, remember. Not all of that is true.

Interviewer: What wasn't true?

Montana: Well, the crowd wasn't chanting. No one threw in their jerseys. He did get in the game. He got carried off [at the end of] the game. [...] Back then they tried to play someone at the end of [the season] that all the seniors could get in the last home game. The schedule was kind of set that way.
So he got in. He did get a sack. And then the guys carried him off, just playing around. I won't say it was a joke, but it was playing around. He worked his butt off to get where he was and to do the things he did. But not any harder than anyone else.

So Joe Montana didn't see it exactly the way it was told in the movie. So what, it was pretty close. He did get in the game, he did get a sack, and he did get carried off the field by his teammates. Close enough for me.

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Joe Montana really is a major league douche bag. I heard he wanted money to attend his high school reunion. Please click on
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/09/joe-montana-creates-a-controversy-by-debunking-rudy/
for his criticism of the movie "Rudy". Montana probably spends his free time telling every child that there is no Santa Claus. Even if the movie "Rudy" was a huge steaming pile of poop Montana looks like an a-hole by harshly criticizing it. It was a MOVIE, not a documentary. Egomaniacs like Montana usually despise anything that is not all about them. And I heard he was not popular with his college or pro teammates because he was selfish and aloof. But he knows how to act like a nice guy when there is a camera in front of him.

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There's a high level of humor in calling Montana the egomaniac when Rudy basically spent a decade begging movie studios to make this film, which is essentially a two-hour story about how awesome he is because he got to play for Notre Dame for 30 seconds.


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I keep hearing that Daniel "Rudy" Ruettiger spent a decade selling his story to the movie studios. Is there at least a link to back that up with? There are countless people trying to sell scripts in Hollywood. I really doubt that Ruettiger's alleged shameless self promotion helped in any way to get that movie made.

I don't have much love for Ruettiger. The real life Rudy sounds like a crook. He made a settlement with the SEC about fraud charges. And I mean the Securities and Exchange Commission, not the Southeast Conference.


December 17, 2011
SEC Tackles 'Rudy' in Fraud Case
By Andrew Ackerman

WASHINGTON — The inspirational 1993 movie "Rudy" celebrates Daniel Ruettiger as a plucky underdog who overcomes long odds and his diminutive stature to earn a walk-on role on Notre Dame's legendary college-football team.

But in a settlement announced on Friday, the Securities and Exchange Commission casts Mr. Ruettiger in a far less heroic light—as a key participant in a so-called pump-and-dump stock scheme that generated more than $11 million in allegedly illicit profits for a now-defunct beverage company, Rudy Nutrition.

"Investors were lured into the scheme by Mr. Ruettiger's well-known, feel-good story but found themselves in a situation that did not have a happy ending," said Scott Friestad, associate director of the SEC's division of enforcement.

The company made and sold a sports drink called "Rudy" with the tagline "Dream Big! Never Quit!" But the SEC charged that Mr. Ruettiger and 12 others made false and misleading statements about their company in news releases, SEC filings and promotional materials during 2008 in a scheme to lure investors, inflate the stock price and then sell their shares at a profit.

For instance, a letter to potential investors falsely claimed that in "a major southwest test, Rudy outsold Gatorade 2 to 1!" the SEC said in its complaint.

"The tall tales in this elaborate scheme included phony taste tests and other false information that was used to convince investors they were investing in something special," Mr. Friestad said.

The pitch worked. In less than a month, the stock went from trading 720 shares a day to more than three million shares, and within two weeks its price climbed from 25 cents to $1.05 a share.

Mr. Ruettiger, who lives in Las Vegas, agreed to pay $382,866 to settle the SEC's charges without admitting or denying them—giving up his profits of $185,750 and paying a fine of $185,750 and interest. Ten other individuals also agreed to pay penalties to settle the SEC charges.

Neither Mr. Ruettiger nor his attorney could be reached for comment.

Mr. Ruettiger and a college friend founded the original company, called Rudy Beverage Inc., in South Bend, Ind. In Oct. 2007, the company moved to Las Vegas, where it struggled financially with a small number of customers, few assets and no profits, the complaint said.

In late 2007, Mr. Ruettiger and the company's president hired an experienced penny-stock promoter to orchestrate a public distribution of company stock. With the help of a disbarred California attorney, they orchestrated a so-called reverse merger with a dormant public company and turned Rudy Beverage into the publicly traded Rudy Nutrition by Feb. 2008, the complaint said.

In addition to false and misleading promotions, the SEC said the scheme's participants manipulated the trading of the company's stock using brokerage accounts in the name of offshore entities to make investor interest appear stronger than it actually was. The SEC says the group used the accounts of a series of Panamanian entities to manipulate the stock.

The agency is still pursuing litigation against stock promoters Pawel Dynkowski of Poland and Chad Smanjak of South Africa, who allegedly made about $4.2 million off the scheme that they deposited into Panamanian accounts the SEC couldn't trace. The two promoters couldn't immediately be reached for comment and the SEC said there are no known attorneys for them. Agency officials believe they aren't in the U.S.

Please click on
http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424052970204553904577102690905539560-lMyQjAxMTAyMDEwNzExNDcyWj.html?mod=wsj_valettop_email

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I have an article from Guideposts magazine titled "Rudy's dream: how one great movie inspired another." It appeared in the November 2010 issue. In it, Rudy writes that selling his story "took 16 years, countless letters and prayers, and even a few trips to L.A." So in this account, Rudy's attempts spanned much longer than a decade! Apparently this article begins counting the years not long after Rudy's famous game and ends the count in 1992.

After the success of Hoosiers, Rudy decided he wanted Hoosiers screenwriter Angelo Pizzo to write a screenplay based on his life story. Pizzo has said in many interviews that Rudy pestered him for several years, commenting that Rudy is "incapable of hearing the word no." When Pizzo and Hoosiers director David Anspaugh finally expressed some interest in filming Rudy's story, they were unable to start working on it right away. Said Anspaugh in an online interview near the end of 2010, Rudy "was unrelenting, and he just kept bugging us every few weeks: 'Is now the time? Is now the time?'"

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So what is wrong with hustling and self promotion?

Joe Montana is a douche. He refused to appear at a Super Bowl XL reunion of Super Bowl MVPs because he was unhappy with the appearance fee. 30 of the previous 34 Super Bowl MVPs were content with the fee and participated in the pregame ceremony. The only exceptions were Montana, Terry Bradshaw, Jake Scott, and the late Harvey Martin.

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What's he promoting? That he was a walk-on who got 30 seconds of garbage time play in one football game? That he, as a character in the film put it, "Has his head so far up his *** about that damn football team?" This is worthy of a movie why?

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Daniel "Rudy" Ruettiger promoted his story as a walk on for the most storied college football team. There was much more to it than getting in for a couple plays at the end of a blowout. It was the story of an underdog similar to a "Rocky" movie. It was embellished and corny, but still made a good movie.

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I didn't criticize Rudy's approach. Responding to your earlier question and comment, I simply offered proof that Rudy spent many years and was unrelenting in trying to get his life story made into a movie. That's all I said.

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"Rudy is 'incapable of hearing the word no.'"

And this is different from anyone else who works in Hollywood, how?

He spent 16 years trying to get his story told? There are writers and filmmakers who spend much longer trying to get backing for their movie. That doesn't mean anything in this field.

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I didn't criticize Rudy; I simply quoted the screenwriter's description of him and a magazine article written about him.

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Persistent effort toward realizing his dream. Almost sounds like the main character in the movie, doesn’t it? I wonder why? 🤔

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Just another reason to despise Montana, IMO. What a whiny loser.

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While watching this movie on cable television, I would become very emotional by the end of the movie. However, after researching this movie on the internet, I was very surprised, and disappointed, to learn how much embellishment occurred in this movie. To have people who really existed say and do things they didn't say or do misleads the viewer. Then to mix in fictional characters saying and doing things that never occurred leads to further confusion. That spoiled it for me. I no longer feel the same about this movie as I did before.

However, I do want to make one point clear about some of Joe Montana's comments. He claimed that when the team carried Rudy off the field at the end of their final home game, it was meant to be a joke. But then I read the following comments from Jay Achterhoff at http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/09/joe-montana-creates-a- controversy-by-debunking-rudy/:

"TMZ quotes another Notre Dame teammate, Jay Achterhoff, as calling the movie “98% true” and being “disappointed that [Montana] wasn’t more supportive of Rudy.”
“Rudy was carried off the field that day . . . but not as a joke — but because he finally got to play,” Achterhoff said. “You’ve never in your life seen a guy who wanted to be on the field more.”


In case you are wondering who Jay Achterhoff is, he played defensive tackle for the same Notre Dame football team as Rudy and Montana. In fact, according to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z950ovP7N4 it was both Achterhoff and Rudy who made the tackle of Georgia Tech's quarterback during the "Rudy play". Surprisingly, the announcer gives name credit only to Achterhoff.

So now we have one player (Montana) claiming the carry off was a joke and one player (Achterhoff) claiming it was not a joke. So who was expressing the opinion of a majority of the team? Unfortunately, I don't really know.

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In high school I made the Varsity basketball team even though I was too short and not a good shooter. I rode the bench most of the time and if I got to play it was garbage time. But I gave everything I could and was always saying or doing whatever I could do to encourage the people that actually played. That type of attitude carried me through a carrier in the army. Even if rudy wasn't true and the guy was a bit of a jerk it doesn't mean that he didn't affect other people's lives for the better.

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