Better Than The Original


OK, first of all, I'm American. Second of all, most of my favorite films are international. Third, I love subtitles so much, that I even turn them on when watching English language films (no, I'm not hard of hearing). Fourth, I've seen the original La Femme Nikita, the American remake Point Of No Return, the Chinese remake called Black Cat, and the TV series which originally aired on the USA network in the states.

Keeping the above in mind, I have to say that I enjoyed Point Of No Return more than I did La Femme Nikita, mainly due to the casting differences and believability of the narrative.

For one, I preferred Bridget Fonda's vulnerability and existentialist angst to Anne Parillaud's cynicism and primal rage. Say what you will about the movie overall, but for me, Fonda was the main key to my enjoying and preferring it to the original. Parillaud is too cold and distant for my sensibilities, whereas Fonda sets the stage for the characterization that would imbue the TV series with some humanity. In the original, I simply didn't care whether any of the people in it lived or died. I was wholly indifferent. In the remake, I got a better sense that at least some of the characters might be human beings and not robots.

I also felt that for a movie about ruthless spies and assassins, Americans are more believable in those roles than are the French. The French, while having a history of extreme brutality that really shown bright during the Algerian War, just do not scare me in the same way that my fellow American countrymen do. The Germans kicked their butts, the Vietnamese kicked their butts, the Algerians did a whole lot of damage, etc., and so my ability to see a French film of this type is somewhat compromised. Don't get me wrong, the French can be ruthless Fascists, as we all know, but for a modern film, I almost feel that the plot works better when set someplace else. You have to believe in a certain kind of lawful lawlessness in order to lose yourself in this kind of film, and the French setting just never did it for me in that regard. Change the setting to America, and I fully believe what is happening.

Also, while it's trendy to love Jean Reno, especially because of all the similar roles he's played, I still think that Harvey Keitel is a much more menacing cleaner. I really believe that Harvey will kill anyone and everyone in the room, including children and babies, in order to make sure that there is no evidence. Jean is a much less menacing figure. There's too much humanity in Jean's eyes, whereas Harvey is a crazy American who doesn't believe in anything but money and following orders.

In addition, I had a greater appreciation for Gabriel Byrne's masculine energy, which felt more substantive than Tcheky Karyo's somewhat tired performance, looking throughout the film as if he was a refugee from the movie Insomnia. I really believed that Byrne and Fonda might possibly "get it on," but I also believed there was a genuine platonic affection between the two as well, despite the ruthless nature of the business.

So, despite the fact that I normally prefer "foreign" films, and believe that most renakes are crap, I do believe there are times, rare though they may be, when American or other remakes can actually improve upon the original. "The Happiness of the Katakuris" vs "The Quiet Family" or "The Ring" vs. "Ringu" are just two small examples of where I felt a remake outdid, improved upon, or added something new to the original. I feel that Point Of No Return stands on it's own and compares quite favorably to La Femme Nikita.

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As Mr. Hand once asked: "Are you all on dope?"

Seriously now. PONR isn't half as good as LFN.

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To Beeronius: you certainly backed up your opinion with very fine arguments, didn't you?

Enough irony, just joking. But I think everyone is entitled to his opinion, so please respect that other people don't necessarily agree with you. I agree with the original poster (which I have explained in other threads on this board, e.g. see http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107843/board/flat/13330817?d=21094001#21094001), even though it is almost embarrassing for me as a European and a great lover of European movies and (usually) disliking American remakes a lot. But this one was an exception.

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Well, that's two of you.......

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Well, same here. I actually hate all reamakes, but this one, and am totaly in love with european cinema, and especially french (and no, I'm not french), and I also think that Point of no return is better than Nikita.
Some elements of Nikita are better, there's no doubt (especially raw and direct approach of the film, compared to PONR, which has more Hollywood - lets explaine it all to the death - approach).
But still, Point of no return is just more interesting to watch, if you want a reason, I cant give you any. Maybe I just like Jane fondas character better than Anne Parillauds.

Both movies are good though

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"Anne Parillaud's cynicism and primal rage" is excactly why I prefer the French version.
She´s a drug addicted loser in the beginning of the movie and she looks it right down to her stained teeth and her wild eyes.
BF is too nice and clean for my taste. She looks more like someone who had been to a party,had gotten drunk and then decided to end the night in a drugstore heist.
I especially like the French version of the fight scene with the coach. AP looks much more true to the bratty/street wise character she portrays.
As for the scene where she tries to escape by taking the boss hostage and gets shot in the leg AP wins hands down for believeability. Getting shot hurts and the almost inhumane sound that AP manages should have won her the Oscar.
The French headquarter set is much more gritty than the American version. I like muck in the corners. To me this adds to the story.
It gave me the impression that it was not a permanent headquarter for training assassins but more of a temporary setup. It looks like an old stable building for horses.
Since this is a "black operations HQ" I dont think it should have a permanent office.

As for Reno vs. Keitel. I´m a Keitel fan so I´ll give you that.:)

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I have to agree with nalk. B. Fonda (bless her curly pubes) just didn't have the cajones' to make her believeable in such an intense role. I didn't believe for a second she could even handle on of those big weapons, much less be cynical like Nikita. I didn't care for Gabriel Byrne's performance nor Dumbutt Mulroney Bologna either. I got so sick of the way Dermot kept asking Briget about her past,...the best scene in the movie is the 'Uncle Bob' scene,...so that tell's ya' a bit about how I look at it. The original is one of my fave film's of the genre, and Tchecky (spelling) as her Mentor can not be improved upon. Point is on amc.tv right now,...and I 'like' it ok,...but compared to the film it is based on, it's but a pimple on Nikita's ass. And oh what a booty she got!

The Smoker You Drink, The Player You Get!

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i think the french version or should i say original is far superior and casting is excellent, luc besson is in my opinion one of the most underated directors

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I love the original. the remake sucked all the humour out of the first movie and the acting was shlt to boot. Fonda's boyfriend?!? Could that guy be any more ineffectual and stiff. I'm still in pain from the experience....

"Liberty is the Mother not the Daughter of Order" Proudhon

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the thing that makes the american version good is bridget fonda...she knows how to be a street kid...and a tough woman...

just the american version suits me better as i watched many hollywood movies...and the soundtrack is is great...

i dont argue with professional thoughs about the comparison...i agree la femme nikita is good,the 'boyfriend' is better and its also original...

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Well, of course, it's your opinion, tkuzz sknation regarding 'the thing that makes the American version good is Bridget Fonda....she knows how to be a street kid'. She sure didn't convey that to me as a viewer, no, not at all. I watch all sorts of films whatever genres and no matter the country of origin. It's been a while since I saw both but I do have the 'La Femme Nikita' dvd.

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the thing that makes the american version good is bridget fonda...she knows how to be a street kid...and a tough woman...

Say WHAT?!? If Fonda's character in this film ever saw a real street kid she'd run screaming or wet herself.

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I certainly agree with the topic creator, but probably not for the reasons he invoked.

I liked the american version more because the music was better, and for me, a huge music fan (even though I don't sing nor play intruments), music really makes a movie. The instrumental music played throughout really makes the movie what it is. I didn't care much for Nina Simone's music. Not my style.

But yeah. That's why I like it more.

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Uh, Luc Besson's version was much, much better.

"The laws of God are higher than the laws of man." -The Boondock Saints

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Tillymanilly, you wrote: "I liked the american version more because the music was better,"

as much as I HATE this re-make (worst remake in the history of cinema, IMO, and I'm being serious) I must ask if you saw the original in it's dubbed version or the sub-titled version?

I ask because the dubbed version actually has different music. VASTLY different, and very poor in comparison to the original. The dubbed version seems positively castrated in comparison.

If you have not seen the sub-titled version of La Femme Nikita, I highly recommend you check it out. The music in the opening scene alone will knock you out, and also during the embassy scenes.

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Actually, while I do think La Femme Nikita is overall a much better film, I did like the music in the American version better. It just seemed to fit the flow of the movie better. Also, while Nikita is a better movie by Leaps and Bounds, I think in some ways Point of No Return is more appealing as an action film. While Nikita steals the show in the drama department, no one blows sh-t up like Hollywood.

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Arghhhhh how can you even tolerate this movie for any longer then 15 minutes. It has the worst editing I have ever seen. Even to the point where the text in the introduction is a rip-off from terminator 2. The music is overwhelming and annoys the *beep* out of me with it's poor pitch/Db setting! Gawd did they even put it through a sound program to lower the frequency!
Hollywood acts like the world is just making their films to pitch ideas for them. Video/DVD stores should have a small part of their stores reserved for original plots. you wouldnt find many hollywood movies in there (That doesn't exlude American films just hollywood, there are some very good American films).
If you want great Hitman/woman movies try leon, hero, grosse pointe blank, the killer, the killers, the magician, killer...... there are many but for gods sake don't watch ths rubbish it will make you stupider. This is another sad case of get someone elses idea and throw a heap of cash and actors at it. Oh and lets just change the script a little to make it more saleable to a common denominator AKA mindless moviegoers that enjoy *beep* like triple X, lethal weapon, SWAT etc etc. My advice to people who like this film....raise your standards, if you ever go to a movie wrap party or happened to spend time with film makers you will be a social outcast liking this rubbish!
Oh yes and Le Femme Nikita is a far superior film. However I still have some criticism about that but I will leave that for the LFN boards...

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I never saw NIkita, but this film on its own was just plain horrible to average in every respect: music, acting, action scenes, plot, editing etc. I cannot believe it got rated over 5! Though it has one redeeming factor in that it makes me appreciate and like every other film i've ever seen (besides George Clooneys Batman).

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