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Arty fantasy/horror taking place at a citadel in Romania during WW2


Based on the 1981 book of the same name, this is a supernatural thriller set in WW2, one of director Michael Mann’s early flicks before his great success with films like “The Last of the Mohicans” (1992). While this was a flop at the box office, it has since developed a cult following. It was no cheapo movie, costing a whopping $11 million at the time and hence has quality production values, especially for an early 80’s horror flick. It’s comparable to a late-era Hammer movie, just made on a huge budget and without Cushing or Lee.

There are elements of “Altered States” (1980), “The Formula” (1980), “The Seventh Sign” (1988) and “Howling V: The Rebirth” (1989) so, if you like those films, check it out (and, yes, I realize those last two came out 5-6 years later).

The production was troubled with Mann’s original edit being 3.5 hours, which is well over TWICE as long as the version released to theaters (!). This has caused critics to denounce “The Keep” as a jaggedly-edited outlandish mess that attempts to be an art film, a horror flick and a WW2 movie without really succeeding at any. The film’s peculiarity is augmented by a dream-like score by Tangerine Dream. Nevertheless, there’s enough good here to entertain open-minded viewers. While there are obvious cut parts, the story isn’t hard to fill-in the blanks.

There is a creature and it’s easily the most intriguing part (in later scenes it sorta rips-off of Jack Kirby’s Darkseid). Yet I found the characters played by Prochnow, Byrne and McKellen interesting too.

Scott Glenn’s role would’ve been better if he was fleshed out more. He was the protagonist of the book, but his scenes were cut. What we are left with is an enigmatic traveler with glowing eyeballs and a magic stick who has no qualms about jumping into bed with a woman he barely knows (in defense of this sequence, he instinctively KNOWS her and vice versa to a degree).

The film was shot in Blaenau Ffestiniog & Llanberis in northwestern Wales, as well as England at Shepperton Studios, just west of London, and Kent (the concentration camp); with Spain standing in for Greece in one scene.

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I am not sure I understand the point and content of your post? This movie is very old and does have a cult following which many have expressed the same opinion as you. We would all like to see the full directors cut, however long, but Michael Mann has expressly disavowed this film and any further involvement with it. It is dead. Unless you have millions of dollars and a persuasive tongue to coax him back, its over.

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Obviously you're knowledgeable of the film, but gazillions of others are not. For instance, I didn't view it until last night. The post is for the latter, as well as those who haven't seen it in decades, to which this may intrigue them to give it a fresh viewing. Furthermore, the post contains plenty of info bits of which the average viewer wouldn't be aware.

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Ok then, I get it. I felt the same way many years ago. As did many fans of this project. No hard feelings.

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I didn't take it in the wrong way; it is a legit point. I was even thinking in the back of my mind how bland it might read for devotees of the flick.

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It should also be noted that the main special effects guy Wally Veevers died during production, and the rest of the FX crew were struggling to realise his vision of what he intended.

Hence why some of the FX, particularly of Molasar, were somewhat underwhelming.

As others have said, Mann has never expressed interest in re visiting this movie. And the studio are hardly going to fork out money for any sort of restoration.

Maybe one of the smaller companies like Shout Factory could put together a special edition of some sort, but i doubt Mann or the studios would be of much help.

There is a restored Australian DVD copy of the movie available to buy online. Its anamorphic and in the correct ratio for once. Its the best it has ever looked, and I picked up a copy 2 years ago.

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I saw it on Netflix several years ago and I remember it looked pretty damn good. It was in HD and had good sound too. I bought it digitally for 4.99 via Amazon some time back. Quality is poor, probably VHS, and sound is not great. But it's better than nothing. Would enjoy watching the Netflix version again sometime.

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