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Is she a hero or a villain?


In your opinion, is she a hero or a villain?

And do you think that, despite her terrible ordeal, what she does in the end makes her a bad person.

And did she deserve to get stabbed and die in the end?

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The is the whole point of the movie. We understand her motivation and agree to her early killings, as these are men who in some way deserve it. But she looses her ability to judge right from wrong and starts to kill innocent men. This is part of her descent into madness and shows the viewer how much she was damaged through the violence against her.

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She was just a "tragic figure."

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True, but some of the men she killed didn't do anything bad to her and possibly didn't do anything too bad at all, at least in the original "I Spit on Your Grave" (1978), the victimized woman there attacked and killed the men who violated her but in this case, not to mean to look too much into what is otherwise just a fictional movie, but the parents and relatives of those innocent men in this movie would probably still condemn her were they to find out she killed them.

But I guess its one of those factors that makes her a complex character and what makes this film so interesting and fascinating, but many people see murder (especially to those who are innocent) to be just as bad.

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In that way, was the movie intended to be anti-vigilantism and even showed how sometimes seemingly justified acts of revenge can indeed go wrong, even if the original crime done against the victm IS indeed a worse deed and a more serious problem for the world?

Basically, is the movie saying that yes rape and sexual violence is a serious issue and obviously seriously wrong, but revenge and vigilantism isn't the answer EITHER? Especially as it shows that innocent people CAN end up getting killed in the process - and its not a happy and appropriate solution in the end?

I still consider this a great film and an exploitation classic, but do you think it HAS that type of message to it and something to say in (that sort of) way?

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She was neither hero nor villain
She was abused and made people pay...
That she wound up killing some innocents made it even worse
Fucked up story really!
I like these vigilante tales a lot but this seemed made for the 42nd St raincoat crowd...also, the porno inserts were not needed imho...
Fun stuff otherwise...

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I didn't see no "porno" inserts here, maybe you confused it with "Thriller: A Cruel Picture" (1974)?

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Oh my bad
Totally confused the two
Thx TheMan...stupid porn inserts were in 'thriller...'
Ms 45 was ok too

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I thought "Thriller: A Cruel Picture" was pretty good but Ms .45 was great - and one of Abel Ferrara's top 3 best along with "King of New York" and "Bad Lieutenant" (which Zoe Land also co-wrote the script for and co-starred in).

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Yup both good revenge flicks
Abel Ferrara is totally under appreciated too
I loved the unexplainable exploding cars in 'Thriller' lol
Dumb shit like that is why i love movies

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Having said that, after 1997 or so, Ferrara has gone relatively downhill, with most of his works being middle of the road and forgettable at best, save for 2 or 3 AT MOST OK to decent flicks, and yes his best days of this, King of New York and Bad Lieutenant are sadly WAY behind him, and I think he needs to retire as soon as possible so he can keep his positive reputation based on his past works.

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Yeah he could hang up his spurs...
But maybe he gets one last great script tossed on his desk and really delivers...
Im optimistic so i hate to throw in the towel on a good old guy ...but i get ya'

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Victim at the beginning and villain at the end

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Maybe falls into Antihero category. Although I don't think that phrase existed back then.

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