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How did Alice fall into the lake?

posted 9 years ago by NESPlayer
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The ending to that movie still bothers me:

If the scene with Jason is supposed to be a dream, why did the police still pull Alice out of the lake? How did she end up there?

They probably didn't mean that they just pulled her boat out of the lake. Otherwise, she would have woken up when they did. And this way, there would have been no need to explain the situation to her in the hospital. Because in that case, she would have remembered that she was brought to the hospital. Also, in this situation she wouldn't think the dream was real because she would realize that her dream happened some seconds ago while the police picked her up some hours ago, brought her to the hospital and then she fell asleep there.

Since Alice thinks Jason is still in the lake and believes the dream was real, this means she wasn't awake when the police brought her to the hospital and that the scene in the hospital is the first time she's awake since last night.

So, how did Alice end up in the lake? Also, why didn't she immediately wake up when she hit the water?

[–] MaximRecoil 7 years ago

It wasn't a dream. Regardless of the creators' intentions, what plays out on screen is all that actually counts when determining what happened in the movie. People know the difference between their dreams and reality, so Alice recalling it as a real event and not a dream means it was a real event. The world would be utter chaos if people couldn't tell the difference between their dreams and reality. Hell, the concept of dreaming wouldn't even exist, because we'd all just think it was reality.

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[–] Navaros 7 years ago

Very Stupid thread title and original post. The film clearly shows how Alice went in the lake: Jason pulled her in.

This thread is so ridiculous, it's akin to asking: "What is Jason's last name? I heard it is Smith. It must be Smith right?"

[–] NESPlayer 7 years ago

Very Stupid thread title and original post. The film clearly shows how Alice went in the lake: Jason pulled her in.

You are an idiot.

The question was: How did Alice fall into the lake since the scene with Jason is declared to be a dream?

Did you even read the original post? Here, have a look, dumbass:

If the scene with Jason is supposed to be a dream, why did the police still pull Alice out of the lake? How did she end up there?

If the scene is supposed to be a dream, it's hard to make out why Alice still ended up in the lake.
If Jason actually pulled her underwater and it wasn't a dream, how did he go from small child to fully-grown man between part 1 and 2?

Got it now, retard? Eh, nevermind. I doubt that you understood a single word of it.

[–] Navaros 7 years ago

since the scene with Jason is declared to be a dream?

That's a false premise, therefore, everything else you say based upon that false premise is nonsense.

dumbass

I'm a "dumbass" even though you cannot understand this film's very simple & obvious story, and then scapegoat your failure to understand as "bad writing?" Sure buddy. lol

[–] NESPlayer 7 years ago

That's a false premise, therefore, everything else you say based upon that false premise is nonsense.

If it's a false premise, then fair enough. But in this case, your reply could have been: "It was not just a dream, it happened for real."

Instead, your answer was basically: "Huh huh, look at that noob. Asks why Alice fell into the lake. Well, duh! Because Jason pulled her in, stupid! What a dumb question."

You acted as if I had never mentioned the possibility of a dream at all. As if I had just asked: "How come the Death Star suddenly exploded? I don't understand it."

It's one thing to disagree with a premise. But don't act like even asking a question based on that premise is dumb in the first place.

The dream theory is commonly accepted:

He also said the film's final jump scare was "as close as I could steal from Carrie without being arrested."

http://www.theweek.com/articles/446191/how-friday-13th-accidentally-perfected-slasher-movie

The overwhelming consensus, and apparently the intent of the filmmakers (which goes a long way), is that Jason’s act of revenge on Alice was all a dream sequence.

http://www.philipmeade.com/movies/the-friday-the-13th-dream-sequence/

So, the idea that it was a dream is not too far off. That's not something I made up myself.

But however, you still didn't answer the follow-up question: If it was not a dream, how come Jason is a little boy in that scene, but a grown up man in the sequel whose first scene plays only a few months after the movie?

[–] MaximRecoil (4264) 5 years ago

"How did Alice fall into the lake?"

Jason pulled her into the water, exactly the way it was shown onscreen.

"If the scene with Jason is supposed to be a dream"

It wasn't a dream.

"Since Alice thinks Jason is still in the lake and believes the dream was real"

Exactly, which is what establishes that it was real, not a dream. People know the difference between their dreams and reality. Someone who didn't (and I doubt such a person exists) wouldn't even be able to function in society. For example, if they dreamt they got fired from their job, they wouldn't go into work anymore. Or what if they dreamt they could fly (which is a common dream) and tried to fly off their balcony the next morning? The idea of someone who confuses the events in their dreams for reality is utterly absurd, and if you're going to place a character like that into a work of fiction, it has to be established that they have such a bizarre and unheard of condition. Alice was depicted as a normal person.

If the filmmakers intended for that to be a dream sequence then they screwed up by having Alice believe it was real, and onscreen information trumps their intentions, i.e., in the context of the movie it was real, not a dream.

[–] Stratego (29526) 5 years ago

Why do you assume she fell into the water? Maybe she was just so tired, she was hardly awake when found by the police and brought to the hospital. Or maybe they sedated her because she was hysterical.

[–] GreenGoblinsOck8 (7502) 5 years ago

I don't care what Victor Miler or Sean Cunningham say. Jason pulled her underwater and Sean Cunningham can suck a bag of rocks for making the movie Jason Goes to Hell out of spite of Parts 2-8.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Dumb theory:I think it was jason coming back to life. Why not? His mom said that he died, she carried out the murders as if he were telling her and her death lead to his corpse being reanimated.

It's a dumb explanation, but that's not as important as all the fun we got from Jason in the sequels. He either reanimated or was a ptsd nightmare in the hospital and Alice just lost memoey of everything that happened between Mrs. Vorhees death and coming to.

[–] Indig0Mist (82) 3 years ago

When she kills Mrs. Vorhees she does get in the lake on a boat, it's not like the policeman says "we pulled you out of the water in the middle of the lake" he clearly says "we thought you were dead too" which means she was too tired or unconsious, maybe she was by the lakeside when they found her, maybe she was still on the boat, the scene with Jason is obviously a dream as Jason would be a grown man by the time, is it really that hard to digest? She didn't need to be concious or awake when she was rescued.