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The way they all treat Millie


Millie has several groups she interacts with and they all ignore her in the same way. She addresses the groups at the Purple Sage, the hospital dining room, and at work as if they were all her friends whom she is used to chatting with in a friendly way. They don't interact with her. It has such a deadening feeling. You can't help feeling sorry for Millie even if she is overbearing and presumptuous.

Whenever she passes the group around the pool at the Purple Sage she only says hi to Tom. He coughs in a phony way. Later she tells someone that Tom would like to date her but that she refuses to go out with him until he gets rid of that cold. He always takes care to cough in her direction just to let her know that he is unavailable. Cold.

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This is the one thing I never really understood about the film, even after watching it with the Director's commentary on. It's never really explained, even by Altman. I mean she is beyond beautiful (yes, Shelly Duvall is almost on par with a supermodel in this film!), so that alone you think would help her with befriending these young Californian dimwits thar are her apartment complex neighbors. Yet she's also thoughtful, kind-hearted (up to a point anyway), outgoing, leaps and bounds more intelligent than her coworkers or said neighbors- to the point it even makes you wonder why such an articulate young lady would be working at such a menial job.

It's just dumbfounding why nobody seems to like her, except the impressionable Pinkie. Or the eligible men around her especially. Yes, she is a bit vacuous and talks about trivial things at times, but she's never negative or demeaning like almost literally everyone around her, sans Willie and Pinkie before her "transformation." It's the one factor in this otherwise flawless film that I just could never fully come to terms with.



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I hate to be unkind to my fellow women, but I have to wonder if you're being sarcastic when you're calling Shelly Duvall beyond beautiful. She is so incredibly unattractive that I constantly found myself distracted from the film. I grew up watching her on some kid's tv show, which I can't remember now, and I remember how much her face scared me because she looked like a cadaver. I try to account for other people's tastes, and look for the good in other people's appearances, but from her sunken eyes to her nonexistent eyebrows to her painfully buck teeth, I honestly cannot comprehend what is supermodel-like in that.

Well, now I've been unkind. I'm sorry. I just wonder if you're even being serious. I feel like Sissy Spacek herself was a fantastic example of someone I've never thought was attractive, who turned out to have a unique beauty. I couldn't look away from her.

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Duvall was in fact a very successful model before she became an actress, so there are a lot of people out there who cancel out your negative opinion. She may not have been conventionally beautiful, but she definitely had it goin' on when she was young.

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It's just dumbfounding why nobody seems to like her.
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Unfortunately, I believe it is very obvious and believable and heartbreaking that there are a few "Millies" out there, who get ignored to the point where they barely exist. Millie is kind and loyal and hard-working and very decent, but she's needy in the extreme and her almost total lack of faith in herself makes her a pariah. Nobody wants to have anything to do with, for fear of association. Those who ignore her and are so rude to her probably are as scared and uncertain as she is, but they have at least a little know how and have some sense of the rules of the game. When Millie says to Pinky "You don't drink. You don't smoke. You don't do any of the things you're supposed to be." It's so funny and yet it's so sad and very disturbing. Millie has deluded herself into believing this kind of heartless reality based on commercials and magazine ads. Because she has nothing else to guide her on life. Her parents are both dead (and Millie is still quite young) and it also feels like they didn't much want her to begin with. She doesn't have the gumption or spirit or the strong instincts to help her find her own way as an individual - many of us don't, that takes a lot - instead, she just relies on what she is told. She is extremely gullible and to others, she is a total embarassment. I suppose it is easy to understand where they are coming from - nobody wants to be alone - but it's a terrible shame the way life has treated Millie.

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Beautifully said Mr H and I loved the reference to when Millie admonishes Pinky for not doing the things you are supposed too. This makes me laugh when she tells Pinky this, yet at the same time, it is very sad and even pathetic that Millie can't just allow herself to be who she is, rather than what she envisions herself to become. She does have depth to her, yet aspires to be superficial like the other dimwits who don't want to associate with her.

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I really didn't think it needed to be explained, she was borderline narcisstistic. She seemed to think that she was important and popular when reality it was quite the opposite. Was she really known for her dinner parties, the way she talks about how guys want to go out with her when it really isn't the case, she only brought the bar owner home because he seemed to be the only one to notice her or give her any attention and that was an affair.

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I really didn't think it needed to be explained, she was borderline narcisstistic.
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I think that is an interesting take on Millie, but I don't see her as narcissistic or even borderline. She attempted to be something she wasn't and that was born out of her own lack of self-awareness and cluelessness. She wasn't awake to what she was doing to herself and Millie also had a very caring streak in her. This is not the trait of a narcissist and you could see the change in her character when Pinky was rushed off to hospital. She knew what she had done and was remorseful.

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Bingo. Excellent analysis of the character.

Don't forget the pigs in a blanket and jello pops she planned to serve at an adult dinner party. Hadn't really socialized much. I laughed until I cried.

Duvalk was amazing in this movie.

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Millie was extremely self-centered and narcissistic. All she did was talk about herself. Anything she did that might have appeared on the surface to be "thoughtful" or "considerate" was actually in service of herself in one way or another. After Pinky jumped off the balcony and ended up in the hospital, all of Millie's kindness was really just to alleviate her own feelings of guilt. Most people find that character trait to be very off-putting, no matter how physically attractive a person is.

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If you take into account that the film is based on Altman dreams i imagine the extent of her being ignored is a representation of feeling unwanted or ignored and how that feeling would be interpreted into a dream. Slightly like a nightmare were no one even notices you are there or is uninterested in your presence for no particular reason. Speaking from someone who once had a problem with self confidence i can say that i had dreams of that kind.

A lack of self confidence is often self manifested or a delusion of not having any self worth, so in that sense it would not matter if she was kind hearted, sweet or attractive she would still not be of interested to others.

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Yes, good analogy Nan, because in a sense they had a 'them and us' attitude as though they were still hanging out in high school. It wouldn't look cool to have Millie tainting their clique. Why she even wanted to anyway, was born out of Millie's lack of self-awareness. They would have just been condescending and sarcastic to her face.

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Well, the coworkers don't COMPLETELY ignore her...they throw in some bare minimum interaction.

The ones in the apartment complex are worse, openly mocking her....but come on, that ROBE with the pointy GNOME HOOD up???

That would bring out the worst in anybody!!

(I do feel real compassion for Millie, though.)
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That was the best part of the film. I knew a jerk like that that lived in a fantasy world and thought everone liked him. He was dull and self centered and everyone made fun of him behind his back.

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So weird that you mentioned this movie. I've been thinking about it lately. I got to say, I really hated this movie and don't understand what people like about it.

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I just watched it for the first time. I didn't hate it but it is not the be-all that critics (at the time) and boarders (now) seem to think. I like the script and Spacek was excellent in her transformation. Duvall? She was good, I guess. There's something about the way she reads a line that is always similar no matter the movie. I will undoubtedly watch this again and maybe my thoughts will evolve but right now, only s'ok.

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