The Turk Sollozo was plain stupid - The Godfather (1972) Discussion

[–] Stevicus-2 7 years ago

The Turk was employed by Tattaglia, who was ostensibly under Barzini's control. He was pretty much a puppet taking his orders from higher ups. As to Barzini's motive, I'm not sure that he cared all that much if the Corleones agreed to the Turk's deal. In fact, he may have sent Sollozzo in with the idea that Vito Corleone would most certainly refuse the deal, which would give the Turk an excuse to go after Corleone. My theory is that Barzini's plan was to get rid of Vito and take over as the most powerful crime family. Sollozzo's drug business was just a smokescreen. Sollozzo may have been promised a higher position once the Corleones were eliminated.

If Barzini or Tattaglia were truly interested in maintaining peace with the Corleones, then they should have simply handed them Sollozzo's head on a plate. Sollozzo wasn't really a part of either family, so what do they have to lose by giving up Sollozzo? He was hardly indispensable to their operations, as the drug business clearly flourished even after Sollozzo's death; plenty of others willing to fill his shoes. If they had done that, that might have been enough to satisfy Sonny's wrath and keep the peace.

The only reason for protecting Sollozzo was to force the Corleones' hand and give Barzini/Tattaglia an excuse to go to war - and line up the remaining families against the Corleones as well. Barzini's plan was actually brilliant, to force the Corleones to go to war and make it look like they started it. But he (like many others) underestimated Michael. That was his big mistake.

As for Sollozzo, he was offered an opportunity for more wealth and power, so he took it. Granted, he was running a huge risk, but he may have felt that if Barzini/Tattaglia won against the Corleones, it would have been worth it.

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[–] tfilm78 7 years ago

Sonny let slip that he was interested in the deal, which led Sollozzo and the others to think that knocking off Vito to put Sonny in charge would result in more cooperation from the family.

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[–] Stevicus-2 7 years ago

Sonny let slip that he was interested in the deal, which led Sollozzo and the others to think that knocking off Vito to put Sonny in charge would result in more cooperation from the family.

Sonny might very well have cooperated with the other families if (and only if) they handed over Sollozzo so that the Corleones could take revenge.

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[–] ElMaruecan82 7 years ago

The plan made sense if you take two things into consideration:
- it is Barzini who pulls the strings
- the long-term plan is to weaken the Corleones and expand the Barzini empire

Barzini knows drugs is the thing of the future, it's the key to his rising power. He's got the supplier and he needs the guy who'll provide a minimum of legal protection. And this guy is Vito Corleone. The film's opening more than insists on the fact that it is Vito, and only Vito, who's got the politicians in his pocket.

So, if Vito accepts, the drug trade will take off, and in the long term, the Corleones' influence will be nothing compared to the Barzinis'. In the long term, Barzini will be powerful enough to buy the politicians and be the influential one.

But Vito has an intuition that drugs is something "special", a tricky, dirty business that will create a deeper shift between his organization and the law, so he says "no". Now, what is Barzini supposed to do with that "no"? He knew Vito was out of the game, what could be the plan B? Say "please"?

Sollozo probably told Barzini about Sonny's blunder and they guessed that he and Tom were hot for the deal. So, basically, Vito is not only slipping, but is totally out of touch. Vito didn't get that behind that juicy offer, there was a disguised threat (well, he sort of figured out since he called Luca Brasi right after the meeting). Anyway, since Vito couldn't help, he became a liability, one to get rid of, as soon as possible.

It was a gutsy move, but it proved to work since it took all the Corleones off-guard. Of course, Vito was such a revered figure you couldn't imagine his son or any Corleone making peace with the enemy but that's why a part of the plan was to "kidnap" Tom and ask him to try to reason Sonny, that's why they had to get rid of Luca Brasi first, Luca whom Vito gave them on a silver platter, that's how slipping he was.

Sollozo didn't expect Sonny to cool his temper, but he trusted Tom's influence and his capacity to reason him, in order to avoid a war, at least temporarily. Sonny was a fierce opponent, but a war with the other Families would have ultimately destroyed the Corleones after they just lost half of their political influence. And look at the post-hospital scene, Sonny wanted the Turk's ass, but Tom managed to convince him to wait, if it wasn't for Michael, they would never have killed the Turk.

I agree the Turk signed his own death warrant when he attacked Vito, it was him or Sonny at that point, because Sonny wouldn't have given a rat's ass about the business, he could have sunk the whole Corleone Empire just to get the guy who killed his father, a simple matter of honor. But my guess is that the Turk probably had plans for Sonny too, and it was part of the long-term plan to destroy the Corleones.

And since it was Barzini who pulled the strings, whether the Turk or Sonny die first wasn't his main concern, he would have benefitted from Vito's death to try to get his politicians' portfolio, because the underlying message of the film is that there's always a connection between power and corruption and nature hates emptiness. Vito dead would have made Barzini the new Vito.

Whether Vito said 'yes' or 'no', it was a win-win situation for Barzini, but with a no, Vito had to die. Barzini didn't expect him not only to survive but to have the other son, Michael, attacking his interests by killing not only Sollozo but his bodyguard of a cop.

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[–] ElMaruecan82 7 years ago

The plan made sense if you take two things into consideration:
- it is Barzini who pulls the strings
- the long-term plan is to weaken the Corleones and expand the Barzini empire

Barzini knows drugs is the thing of the future, it's the key to his rising power. He's got the supplier and he needs the guy who'll provide a minimum of legal protection. And this guy is Vito Corleone. The film's opening more than insists on the fact that it is Vito, and only Vito, who's got the politicians in his pocket.

So, if Vito accepts, the drug trade will take off, and in the long term, the Corleones' influence will be nothing compared to the Barzinis'. In the long term, Barzini will be powerful enough to buy the politicians and be the influential one.

But Vito has an intuition that drugs is something "special", a tricky, dirty business that will create a deeper shift between his organization and the law, so he says "no". Now, what is Barzini supposed to do with that "no"? He knew Vito was out of the game, what could be the plan B? Say "please"?

Sollozo probably told Barzini about Sonny's blunder and they guessed that he and Tom were hot for the deal. So, basically, Vito is not only slipping, but is totally out of touch. Vito didn't get that behind that juicy offer, there was a disguised threat (well, he sort of figured out since he called Luca Brasi right after the meeting). Anyway, since Vito couldn't help, he became a liability, one to get rid of, as soon as possible.

It was a gutsy move, but it proved to work since it took all the Corleones off-guard. Of course, Vito was such a revered figure you couldn't imagine his son or any Corleone making peace with the enemy but that's why a part of the plan was to "kidnap" Tom and ask him to try to reason Sonny, that's why they had to get rid of Luca Brasi first, Luca whom Vito gave them on a silver platter, that's how slipping he was.

Sollozo didn't expect Sonny to cool his temper, but he trusted Tom's influence and his capacity to reason him, in order to avoid a war, at least temporarily. Sonny was a fierce opponent, but a war with the other Families would have ultimately destroyed the Corleones after they just lost half of their political influence. And look at the post-hospital scene, Sonny wanted the Turk's ass, but Tom managed to convince him to wait, if it wasn't for Michael, they would never have killed the Turk.

I agree the Turk signed his own death warrant when he attacked Vito, it was him or Sonny at that point, because Sonny wouldn't have given a rat's ass about the business, he could have sunk the whole Corleone Empire just to get the guy who killed his father, a simple matter of honor. But my guess is that the Turk probably had plans for Sonny too, and it was part of the long-term plan to destroy the Corleones.

And since it was Barzini who pulled the strings, whether the Turk or Sonny die first wasn't his main concern, he would have benefitted from Vito's death to try to get his politicians' portfolio, because the underlying message of the film is that there's always a connection between power and corruption and nature hates emptiness. Vito dead would have made Barzini the new Vito.

Whether Vito said 'yes' or 'no', it was a win-win situation for Barzini, but with a no, Vito had to die. Barzini didn't expect him not only to survive but to have the other son, Michael, attacking his interests by killing not only Sollozo but his bodyguard of a cop.

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[–] GRIGOLLIF1_ 7 years ago

I hear you guys and the Barzini pulling the strings behind it makes more sense, but from a Sollozzo perspective, whatever way you cut it, it was a very, very stupid move. And the movie plays him as this cool, calculated guy, that thinks "blood is a big expense" and even for Barzini in the end was stupid also.

What what would make more sense is if the Turk was a Luca Brasi type of character or a hot head, someone who would either follow directions to his own death blindly or a madmen who got triggered, not this calculated buiness man.

The movie went so fast, without much development in this plot, you go from the Turk having a friendly, normal business meeting, shaking hands, showing no signs of anger, to a few scenes later trying to murder Vitto. When you are watching the movie forr the first time is almost hard to conect the dots, who did the killing until the plot goes along further, there was no suspense that this could happen.

From an Entertainment perspective, it works because it shows how the mafia could have this calculated mentality, at the same time use violence in an instant. From a tactic perspective, is like China nuking NYC, thinking is a good move, to get the US to lose some power, get more leverage, not to engange in all out war of mutual destruction and to actually negotiate in the end, not happening.. not a smart move.

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[–] ElMaruecan82 7 years ago

I am a bit confused. What exactly in the film makes you think that what the Turk did wasn't calculated or strategic?

He meets the Don in August or September (the film starts at the end of World War 2) and he tries to kill Vito in Christmas time. A few scenes later, maybe, but three months, nevertheless. It is obvious it was something planned for a long time, that demanded to find a way to get rid of Luca, to coordinate the alliance between the Turk and the Barzinis, to make sure he'd have a perfect bodyguard by bribing McCluskey, to approach Paulie etc. No need to show that, we can't figure it out by ourselves.

You make it sound as if the Turk acted like Sonny when he saw Connie's messed up face. He probably needed time to balance the pros and the cons, but it all came down to the necessity of killing Vito, just because it's a use of violence doesn't make it a decision taken at the heat of the moment, it was as planned and strategic as Michael deciding to kill the Turk.

Now, of course, it's not clear after a first or even a second viewing, but this is a film that demands a lot of viewing so you can get all the characters, the plot points and the whole chain of events.

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[–] GRIGOLLIF1_ 7 years ago

There was nothing strategic or smart killing Vito, not under any scenario that makes sense unless is to make the plot move forward and make the movie more entertaining.

It was just a very stupid move, which would of course result in a lot of blood shed and in the Turk getting killed. And the movies plays as if he was under the impression that he could be pardoned somehow, which is also just plain stupid. If there is one thing that is an unforgiveble act and a war starter for anyone is killing a man's father.

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[–] ElMaruecan82 7 years ago

You shouldn't be so categoric, it is only stupid if you limit the actions to their immediate consequences without taking the long-term into consideration.

Here's how the scene played in the book, maybe Coppola failed to convey that clarity, but I think he did a great job at it, being more informative would have been too much on-the-nose dialogue.

“Your boss is dead,” Sollozzo said. He paused, surprised at the tears that sprang to Hagen’s eyes. Then he went on. “We got him outside his office, in the street. As soon as I got the word, I picked you up. You have to make the peace between me and Sonny.”

Hagen didn’t answer. He was surprised at his own grief. And the feeling of desolation mixed with his fear of death. Sollozzo was speaking again. “Sonny was hot for my deal. Right? You know it’s the smart thing to do too. Narcotics is the coming thing. There’s so much money in it that everybody can get rich just in a couple of years. The Don was an old ‘Moustache Pete,’ his day was over but he didn’t know it. Now he’s dead, nothing can bring him back. I’m ready to make a new deal, I want you to talk Sonny into taking it.”

Hagen said, “You haven’t got a chance. Sonny will come after you with everything he’s got.”

Sollozzo said impatiently, “That’s gonna be his first reaction. You have to talk some sense to him. The Tattaglia Family stands behind me with all their people. The other New York families will go along with anything that will stop a full-scale war between us. Our war has to hurt them and their businesses. If Sonny goes along with the deal, the other Families in the country will consider it none of their affair, even the Don’s oldestfriends.”

Hagen stared down at his hands, not answering. Sollozzo went on persuasively. “The Don was slipping. In the old days I could never have gotten to him. The other Families distrust him because he made you his Consigliere and you’re not even Italian, much less Sicilian. If it goes to all-out war the Corleone Family will be smashed and everybody loses, me included. I need the Family political contacts more than I need the money even. So talk to Sonny, talk to the caporegimes; you’ll save a lot of bloodshed.”

Hagen held out his china cup for more whiskey. “I’ll try,” he said. “But Sonny is strong-headed. And even Sonny won’t be able to call off Luca. You have to worry about Luca. I’ll have to worry about Luca if I go for your deal.”

Sollozzo said quietly, “I’ll take care of Luca. You take care of Sonny and the other two kids. Listen, you can tell them that Freddie would have gotten it today with his old man but my people had strict orders not to gun him. I didn’t want any more hard feelings than necessary. You can tell them that, Freddie is alive because of me.”

Finally Hagen’s mind was working. For the first time he really believed that Sollozzo did not mean to kill him or hold him as a hostage. The sudden relief from fear that flooded his body made him flush with shame. Sollozzo watched him with a quiet understanding smile. Hagen began to think things out. If he did not agree to argue Sollozzo’s case, he might be killed. But then he realized that Sollozzo expected him only to present it and present it properly, as he was bound to do as a responsible Consigliere. And now, thinking about it, he also realized that Sollozzo was right. An unlimited war between the Tattaglias and the Corleones must be avoided at all costs. The Corleones must bury their dead and forget, make a deal. And then when the time was right they could move against Sollozzo.

But glancing up, he realized that Sollozzo knew exactly what he was thinking. The Turk was smiling. And then it struck Hagen. What had happened to Luca Brasi that Sollozzo was so unconcerned? Had Luca made a deal? He remembered that on the night Don Corleone had refused Sollozzo, Luca had been summoned into the office for a private conference with the Don. But now was not the time to worry about such details. He had to get back to the safety of the Corleone Family fortress in Long Beach. “I’ll do my best,” he said to Sollozzo. “I believe you’re right, it’s even what the Don would want us to do.”

Sollozzo nodded gravely. “Fine,” he said. “I don’t like bloodshed, I’m a businessman and blood costs too much money.”

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[–] GRIGOLLIF1_ 7 years ago

Reading these passages, in the book its more developed and makes more sense. Don't get me wrong it is very entertaining and intriguing from an art perspective and without it, we would not have the book and the movie with all the stories that follow.

My criticism is more of a rationale.It is still hard to believe any regular person would forgive and do business with a man who killed your father, much less a mafia family which kills for even petty things such as perceiving some kind of symbolic disrespect.

The own movie series makes this clear in the Godfather 2. That old mafia boss who killed Vito's father wanted him dead regardless, here is an old powerful mafia boss, scared of a young boy, possibly retarded, as his mother was saying because of revenge from killing his father. And he was right in the end, being gutted like a pig.

So Sollozzo believed that somehow, he would kill the most influential mafia boss in NYC, who had 3 old sons, one almost ready to succeed him, another who was a decorated WW2 veteran, a powerful smart Consiglieri and his ass could be just fine, and this is supposed to be strategic or calculated? sorry, no way, is more of a nuke option. But again, from a movie perspective, it makes much more entertaining having this played out this way and it is a work of fiction after all.

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[–] sonofbeach-sheet 7 years ago

So not to get too much off the subject, I thought Solozzo didn't even know Barzini, just Tattalgia, but Barzini was over Tattalgia. It was Vito's intuition Barzini was behind the whole plan because of the way Tattalgia acted like a sniveling weasel at the meeting and Barzini was calm, composed, businesslike and conducted the meeting with ease.

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[–] ElMaruecan82 7 years ago

It is still hard to believe any regular person would forgive and do business with a man who killed your father, much less a mafia family which kills for even petty things such as perceiving some kind of symbolic disrespect.

Sollozo insisted that he had the Tattaglias and the tacit approval of the other families and that they would side with him just to avoid a war, so the Corleones were alone in that game. The point of killing Vito was to drive them into a corner where they would have no choice: either collaborate or just go for an irrational war for a matter of honor, but that would mean the end of the Corleones in the long term.

He would kill the most influential mafia boss in NYC, who had 3 old sons, one almost ready to succeed him, another who was a decorated WW2 veteran, a powerful smart Consiglieri and his ass could be just fine, and this is supposed to be strategic or calculated?

Sollozo thought the Don was slipping, that Sonny wasn't the man his father was and an Irish consiglieri made it worse. However, Sonny knew there was a lot of money in the white powder and Tom could cool Sonny's temper so negotiating with them wasn't that impossible.
Sollozo spared Fredo's life to show that the killing of Vito was 'only business'
Michael was not to be underestimated but that's the enemy's mistake, they underestimated Michael.

Look at the issue from the Turk's perspective;
- Vito said "no".
- It was a dead-end. When Vito says "no", it is "no".
- Vito undermined the whole potential of the drug trade, and there was no way to convince him to reexamine his view.
- Vito had to go.

That's all. The enemy strikes and then tries to negotiate. It's not a silly move if you take into consideration the "business vs. personal" issue. Of course, the Turk knew he was a dead man as soon as he killed the Don but it was between him and Sonny, if Sonny accepted the deal, there would be a temporary truce and time would come when one would die, if Sonny went for a mindless war in the name of vengeance, the Turk had the perfect bodyguard anyway.

Here's another quote from the book, it's an excerpt from the 'restaurant' part, Sollozo talks to Michael:

“You must understand that what happened between me and your father was strictly a business matter. I have a great respect for Don Corleone and would beg for the opportunity to enter his service. But you must understand that your father is an old-fashioned man. He stands in the way of progress. The business I am in is the coming thing, the wave of the future, there are untold millions of dollars for everyone to make. But your father stands in the way because of certain unrealistic scruples. By doing this he imposes his will on men like myself. Yes, yes, I know, he says to me, ‘Go ahead, it’s your business,’ but we both know that is unrealistic. We must tread on each other’s corns. What he is really telling me is that I cannot operate my business. I am a man who respects himself and cannot let another man impose his will on me so what had to happen did happen. Let me say that I had the support, the silent support of all the New York Families. And the Tattaglia Family became my partners. If this quarrel continues, then the Corleone Family will stand alone against everyone. Perhaps if your father were well, it could be done. But the eldest son is not the man the Godfather is, no disrespect intended. And the Irish Consigliere, Hagen, is not the man Genco Abbandando was, God rest his soul. So I propose a peace, a truce. Let us cease all hostilities until your father is well again and can take part in these bargainings. The Tattaglia Family agrees, upon my persuasions and my indemnities, to forgo justice for their son Bruno. We will have peace. Meanwhile, I have to make a living and will do a little trading in my business. I do not ask your cooperation but I ask you, the Corleone Family, not to interfere. These are my proposals. I assume you have the authority to agree, to make a deal.”

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[–] vicky_lc2001 (1907) 6 years ago

Don Ciccio, the old Don from Sicily - I don't think he was necessarily afraid of the 9 year old Vito Andolini. In the old country, most of the young men were dead, few men were old because they all died from neverending vendettas.

The Andolinis were not mafia men, they were not in the business, just peasant stock that crossed Don Ciccio's hairs. It was the father that stood up to Don Ciccio and was killed. The older son, Paolo, like a typical Sicilian took his fathers cause against Ciccio and was killed for it. Killing the boy Vito was simply rationale for Ciccio. In the old country, they didn't have the laws of honor the ones in the US supposedly had.

In the US, they more or less left civilians alone like Michael, they were not included in the war. Ciccio was very unlike Vito Corleone as a Don. In fact, I bet Ciccio was unlike many other Mafia Dons even in Italy. He was probably one of the newer breed of 'crooked' Don. The mafia were originally supposed to be the people's benefactor and defender against the corrupt government until they too became corrupt. The mafia brought over in the US was being touted to have a resemblance of the old mafia. The defender of the poor Italian folk in a new and opressive WASP society. Obviously, whatever that image was depended on who was the Don or benefactor of an area. Under Vito Corleone, they were seen as a good thing but under Ciccio, it was the opposite.

You have to differentiate the mafia between Sicily and the US. Although, the mafia was carried over from Italy, the mafia in the US has been influenced and infused by many American customs. Vito himself came over the US as a young boy and would've grown up in an Italian-American background. His sons would've been even more inundiated by this fusion of Italian-American culture.

These are not regular folks like you and I, even if Sonny wanted to push against Sollozzo, he simply wasn't good enough to outsmart him. Which is why they had to get rid of Vito. No one figured out Michael.

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[–] vicky_lc2001 (1907) 6 years ago

Corleone is beloved by the people he protects and his family, he is respected by the other Dons but business comes before personal affections.

Despite Vito's reputation, don't forget, that Dons come and go, what was once mighty get weak and are easily gotten rid of. Vito is not the first beloved and respected Don, and he won't be the last.

Sollozzo needed Vito's money and political influence, but most importantly, political influence. Vito's refusal signaled to Sollozzo and the rest of the families that he did not approve of the business, thereby hurting Sollozzo. That made Vito a pebble in the Turk's shoe that needed to be gotten rid of. He saw his opportunity and took it.

During the meeting, it was clear that both Sonny and Hagen wanted in on the deal, it was only Vito who kept everyone back. Vito in that meeting looked weak, not as powerful, magnetic, or threatening as his reputation made Sollozzo believe. An up and coming guy like Sollozzo takes risks to get ahead. Killing Vito was a huge gamble but if he succeeded, he would've been very rich and powerful.

Don't forget that next to the Corleone's, the most powerful family in line were the Barzini's, and the Barzinis and the Tataglias were behind him. He knew that the rest of the families would either rally to his support like the Tataglias and Barzinis or discourage any war from escalating (if the Corleones retaliated). So, the only one standing in his way was Vito, an old timer (an old mustache Pete), who was slipping and didn't know his time was up. So the Turk took it.

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[–] vicky_lc2001 (1907) 6 years ago

And don't think he did it rashly, it clearly took a couple of months to even make the attempt on Vito's life, and he had the backing of 2 other families and the reticence of the others. He also knew (or thought he knew) that Vito was the mastermind of the Corleones, that Sonny, Clemenza, and Tessio were no match for him with Barzini, if they got rid of Vito at his weakest. He figured with Vito gone, no one else could take his place, not in the way that was needed. No one expected Michael, an outsider, the nancy who fought at ww2 gunning guys a mile away, a college kid, seemingly weaker than even fredo to have had the brains and cojones his father had, even more actually. In fact, he was even more ruthless and more cold hearted than his father ever was.

The Turk was not stupid, he simply overlooked one thing, Michael Corleone. Without Michael, he would've succeeded and Barzini would've been the strongest family, dethroning the Corleones from power. The Corleones power was linked to Vito, remember that. Without someone as cunning and as stealthily patient as Vito, the Corleones would've been destroyed. Who would've thought that there was nother one in Michael? Even his brothers underestimated him (because like Vito he kept his emotions and thoughts in check, it was his instinct to do so), only Vito knew and saw Michael for what he could potentially be. Michael was Vito reincarnated only worse, lol.

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[–] TexasJack (12515) 6 years ago

I always thought Sonny's outburst "You mean the Tataglias would guarantee our investment..." was the thing that made Sollozzo decide to make his move. He basically shot his own father.

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[–] siddfinch 7 years ago

I always thought that this part of the plot makes no sense. Killing the godfather so their sons would become the killers' partners.

I wouldnt call Sollozo stupid within the given story, because the Don's sons and Tom Hagen actually say they would "make the deal if the old man dies"... It's the story writer who fails.

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[–] fyfytj 7 years ago

Sollozzo's (aka Barzini's) plan was not stupid. Sollozzo noticed Sonny's slip-up in the meeting which indicated to him that Sonny, the next-in-line for Corleone leadership, would be more accepting of the plan than Vito. With him out of the way, Sollozzo assumed that Sonny would a) accept that it was business and not personal and take the deal, and/or b) be wary of further attacks if he continued refusal and begrudgingly play ball. What he didn't anticipate was that Sonny would not only take the attack personally, but would also completely double down on the refusal and be willing to go to war with all of the other families over the matter.

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[–] michael-judd 7 years ago

I would have thought that any deal agreed to would be shaky at best. Hypothetically, Sonny and Sollozzo could have agreed to a truce on the grounds of their mutual benefit in the drug trade, whilst both secretly thinking they'll have the other murdered after some time has passed. If the rest of the five families are making good money by this point there would be even less enthusiasm for a war. If Sonny had Sollozzo killed, Barzini wouldn't lose any sleep over it because Sollozzo is not part of his family and was always disposable. His ultimate goal would still to be the most powerful Don in NY and with the drug trade in full swing, he would be well on his way. If Sollozzo had Sonny killed, then even better for Barzini.
The Corleone's would also benefit (initially) from the drug trade, and a year or two down the line, Sonny might have decided it was time to settle some old scores. I think the other families wouldn't like it, but with the drug trade underway, Sollozzo's position would quickly be filled to ensure the continued smooth running of business.

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[–] faqbaby (53) 3 years ago

"What he didn't anticipate was that Sonny would not only take the attack personally, but would also completely double down on the refusal and be willing to go to war with all of the other families over the matter." No Shit!!!, Not only did sollozo attempt to kill their leader but agreeing to any deal meant they were being bullied into it. 'never corner a rat!!!' Sollozo attempted to corner the most powerful family. Agreeing to any deal will be an indication of how weak the Corleones has become, not agreeing also meant more bloodshed.. either ways the Corleones were f**ked.. there was no way the Corleones were not going to take revenge. If they agreed to any deal then the so called power they had was just a facade.

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