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The origin of sophisticated humor on television


When Mary Tyler Moore decide to return to sitcoms, she came loaded with new ideas and a new style of television sitcom, a move away from gags and the humor found in misunderstood situations, and broad humor that would appeal to the lowest common denominator, she wanted a show where the comedy came from the human condition. The foibles of modern life, especially told from the female perspective. The comedy that comes from slapstick and sight gags and just plain silliness is a cheap humor, but the sophisticated comedy found on the MTMS was more profound, and deeper, it dealt with human emotions and relationships.

Mary was different than any other women who had appeared on television before, she was the first attractive young women who wasn't defined by her male partner. Its as if Mary was watching an episode of bewitched, a sitcom about a powerful witch who so totally subservient to her husband that she might as well be his footstill, its as if Mary said, " you see that, we are going to be the complete opposite if that, we are going to create a real human being, that the audience can relate to.Mary became the first empowered women in the history of prime-time.

One can only imagine the difference that Mary and Rhoda made in the life of a generation of young american girls and women. The fact that this show was meant to be groundbreaking, insured that the characters would be more fleshed out than the normal sitcom character, what did we really know about Lucy Ricardo or Alice Kramden other than they were good wives who kept their husbands in check. Mary slowly revealed every facet about her character Mary Richards, Lucy and Alice never evolved past the first episode but Mary was constantly evolving.

At the Heart of the show was the fact that Mary was a stone cold fox, the type of women who is Queen Bee to which ever hive she settles in. All the men in the news room of course were in love with Mary, and the fact that she was un-attached was novelty that made her accessible and a model of fantasy for every male watching. the WJM newsroom before Mary's arrival was a whole different place than it was after Mary arrived.

The characters of the MTMS were more refined than anything you would find on All in the Family or any other working class show, they lived a more refined life, in may ways a phony unbelievable life, but that fitted the sophisticated nature of the show, you could always expect every character on MTMS to do the right thing and behave accordingly, they were prim and proper in uniquely american way.

Like the Dick Van Dyke show The show was equally split between workplace and home environment, except the people at work were more real- so were the people at home.

TMTM show was the first show that dealt with human feelings and the awkwardness of human embarrassment, life was minefield of events, of social gatherings that could blow up at a moments notice, this was shown in the awkwardness of all of Mary's' First dates or unwanted suiters, there is an emotional deepness to TMTM that wasn't in television before. Before the MTMS sitcom characters were rubbery , Insults would either bounce off them or be absorbed to no lasting effect but on the MTMS insults stuck. and they stuck for good

There never had been a character like Rhoda Morgenstern before, such a delicate character, a living , walking bag of hurt , in her first incarnation Rhoda was a chubby, wisecracker, laughing on the outside crying on the inside, the perfect friend for Mary, her Ethel to Mary's Lucy, but like all the characters on the show she evolved, she became the ugly duckling who truly becomes the beautiful swan, this was handled in one of the best episodes of the series, when Mary makes her downtrodden friend realize how beautiful she really is.

Adding to the shows sophistication was the evolution of the characters, Lou got a divorce and at mid-life re-entered the dating arena, mostly to disastrous results, Rhoda got married, Phylis lost her husband and had to learn to life life on her own, something Mary was doing just fine with, Ted got married and adopted a child and so-had to grow up, As for MARY, the girl that could turn the world on with a smile, Mary became more serious and less prone to little girl emotions, of all the characters she probably grew the most, and decided to take on life on her own terms, would she ever get married and have children, no way to know, Mary might just do all that, or she might not, what she did show everybody is that a women is a person first and foremost and as so can do anything she wants to do with her own life.

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Television had a "sea change" around 1970 or so. CBS cancelled a bunch of long running shows, called now "The Rural Purge" since a lot of the shows cancelled were "country programming" like Mayberry RFD, Green Acres, Beverly Hillbillies (in '71), Pettycoat Junction, etc. CBS wanted to appeal to a more urban, younger demographic of people who had more money and who will spend money which made them more money through advertising, which is how networks made money.

When I was a child of the 1970's, I watched the "old" 1960's shows, and most of them to me are silly and childish, or bound by moralistic ethics, even stupid sh.t like Lucy not saying she was pregnant, or on Dick Van Dyke Show, Rob sleeping in a separate bed with a 25 year old Mary Tyler Moore. The Dick Van Dyke show was one of the few that was truly sophisticated and "hip". Andy Griffith Show, at least the black and white episodes were excellent and has been on television continuously since 1960.

Shows like MASH, Mary Tyler Moore, Bob Newhart, All in the Family started a season or two after Amdy Griffith and Green Acres, but you see the difference. Now, I have never seen the high school show Room 222, but I have read that it was pretty realistic. Unlike say The Brady Bunch where stupid sh.t throwback 1960's scripts and stupidity was the norm, when Robert Reed especially wanted realistic scripts about a blended family living in the early 1970's California (believe it or not, early 1970's teens had a higher drug and alcohol rate and sexual activity/pregnancy than kids in 2016) Peter Brady selling hair tonic. That was ridiculous. Selling weed would have been more realistic. This was a Sherwood Shwartz show and frankly Shwartz was a hack writer and Gilligan's Island was the hallmark of cheesy, stupid 1950's/60's programming.

Television changed with the culture, the culture became more liberal and so did the programming. Think about how different the culture as from 1960 to 1970. By 1970, America was ready for flushing toilets, married people sleeping with each other, single women with no children, an occasional reference to homosexuals, blacks and minorities and shows about them.

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wow..it was only a sitcom, not the Bill of Rights that molded society and "girls'. And the MTM show had gags and broad humor also, which were some of the best episodes. There was sophisticated humor on tv sitcoms before the MTM show, . But, it's necessary to believe that MTM was the original for some reason. (Julia, Ghost & Mrs Muir, etc) Going one step further, we don't know if Mary evolved due to characterization, or the actress herself changing.

Lucy's humor was also about the human condition and did not appeal to the "lowest common denominator", which is insulting of you to say. Try watching more than 2 episodes.

How special your female perspective is, and what a pseudo-intellectual essay over a sitcom that you think changed the ever-loving lives of people. Are you in college, or have a degree which you wear as a badge of honor, and see yourself as a feminist-trailblazer? How annoying. You're a delusional snob with your hyperactive keyboard.



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Jim, it would be to your overall benefit if you would try not to let another person's enthusiasm and enjoymemt of a tv show bother you so much.

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One could argue that DICK VAN DYKE (also with Mary) was the origin of "sophisticated" humor in TV sitcom, it's true that a few years later in the early-'70s, the sitcom genre became an agent social change in a manner it never quite would again.

TV had spent most of the '60s rebelling against reflecting what was going on in the streets at the time, and "absurdist" rural sictoms became the rule, or westerns and dry cops shows which addressed nothing valid of the present (unless one considers DRAGNET's "BlueBoy" to be a scathing indictment of the period's drug culture -- oh, but wasn't Michael Burns a nerdy hunk??).

The gentle feminism of MARY TYLER MOORE and, within a few months, the shockingly in-your-face political comedy of ALL IN THE FAMILY, indeed reflected a sea change in television subject matter: MAUDE, MASH, early-GOOD TIMES --- they all tapped into material TV couldn't and wouldn't handle previously (except for THE DEFENDERS in the '60s, a show so progressive no one even remembers it today!)

As a result, TV changed more between 1970 and 1975, in terms of topicality, than in any other five years period in the medium's history before or since.

So it's hard not to be a bit nostalgic about any loss-of-innocence period in one's life. Like puberty. And that deep melancholy which hovered in the air during the first half of the '70s (which was like the last phase of the '60s) into with Mary Richards fit perfectly, and the shift in small screen subject matter, is a combination which is easy to reminisce about.

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One could argue it occurred before DICK VAN DYKE if we look . That's fine: if women round' the globe need to believe Mary Tyler Moore/Richards had a conquest to be a guiding role model for those confused delicate wandering misty-eyed females, then we'll say that.

it couldn't be that Mary was a Hollywood actress, involved in her success and luxury and didn't think about what all the women were accrediting, though she would accept the compliment anyway.

Now, I must write a long dissertation on how 'Get Smart' freed me from my constraints as a man in the struggling atmosphere of the times, and granted me some solace in discovering the ever-changing dissociation of society in terms of being one with the earth


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You're being a little silly, and, as usual, trying to argue contradictory arguments simultaneously, just to be oppostional to everything all at once.

No one is trying to say that MARY YLER MOORE was watershed moment for feminism -- even then it was subtle and unthreatening.

But it's also unfair to judge a 46 year old show by a self-righteous 2016 PC standard.

And by the drab comedy TV standards of 1970, MARY was incredibly fresh.


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'But it's also unfair to judge a 46 year old show by a self-righteous 2016 PC standard.'
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I am very much not of the self-righteous 2016 PC mentality. I watched the show when you first watched it, or before you did. Yet, I find this imdb board to be snobby, with overly self-assured prissy know-it-alls. (was that sophisticated enough for you?)


'And by the drab comedy TV standards of 1970, MARY was incredibly fresh'.
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The point was not about it being drab or not. I didn't say that.


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I am very much not of the self-righteous 2016 PC mentality.


Oh, in your own way you are, Sweety.


The point was not about it being drab or not. I didn't say that.

But my commentary is not there to keep you happy. You don't have to think my observations or responses are valid in order for me to make them.


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People DO pinpoint The Dick VanDyke Show as when sit-coms progressed and became more "sophisticated" but you know- I did not find that show FUNNY .

"In every dimension , there's another YOU!"

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People DO pinpoint The Dick VanDyke Show as when sit-coms progressed and became more "sophisticated" but you know- I did not find that show FUNNY
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The Dick Van Dyke show taught Mary about sophistication, but Van Dyke show had a broader type of humor albeit sophisticated when compared to HeeHaw or Pettycoat Junction. The humor on TMTM show was the humor of fear of being put into an embarrassing situation-which of course Mary dreaded, this is best observed in the episode-Toulouse-Lautrec Is One of My Favorite Artists" Mary makes a date with a man she finds charming only to find that when he stands up he scarcely is as tall as her waist. But being Mary she must go through with the date rather than insult or embarrass the man, though the result is facing a firing line of crude jokes about the man from her friends, and also getting 'the looks' in the restaurant. This episode defines TMTM show, the awkwardness of the situation being slowly ratchet up. This is where TMTM show excels in the psychological torment of its characters, sometimes it makes you squirm, like in the episode with Teds school, that only has one student, this scene keeps playing out, as the audience first puts itself in the shoes of the poor guy who signed up for the class, but when he prove obnoxious, our embarrassment index switches to Mary and the rest of the gang.

In many ways TMTM was an extended version of the drama of high school, and the embarrassing an awkward situations that were endemic in that closed in society, the characters sophisticated as they are live in dread of returning to those high school days of awkwardness and derision.

First dates are some of the most stressful things in life, and the whole MTMS was built around the premise of first dates gone wrong. While The Dick VAN Dyke was about a married couple lost in suburbia, MTMS was about city dwellers searching and dealing with the pangs of being left out of the big parade of life.

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Yet, I find this imdb board to be snobby, with overly self-assured prissy know-it-alls.
Wow. Now there's an ironic statement.

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they all tapped into material TV couldn't and wouldn't handle previously (except for THE DEFENDERS in the '60s, a show so progressive no one even remembers it today!)


Hey, you calling me "no one"? :D

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very good analysis about the show and a good observation about bewitched, she was a very powerful witch and yet she acted like a lost puppy that was rescued by her mortal master husband.

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and yet she acted like a lost puppy that was rescued by her mortal master husband.
That sounds the same as most women in the new age also. Not much difference, really. However, I never saw Samantha as a lost puppy.

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The dawn of the 1970's was when television began to grow up. In the 50's and 60's it remained in a state of infancy when everything was clean cut, safe and inoffensive.

Then CBS began a change in it's attitude and started making programs that were smart, modern and relevant. Kicking off with "The Mary Tyler Moore Show", the network took television out of it's safe confines and began dealing with subject matter that it had never dealt with previously.

And audiences lapped it up. Television in effect had gotten on to the fact that viewers were keen for something new and exciting and so began a wave of programming that reflected the times and more than four decades on, many of these shows are still entertaining and well made.

This was the first era of tv that felt all grown up and not just playing it cute and safe anymore.....

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Yes, TV changed more between 1970 and 1975, in terms of topicality, than in any other five year period in the medium's history. And the TV sitcom genre became an agent of social change for a while.

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100% correct Pro-Tree64!
In general 1970-1975 was a huge leap in EVERYTHING - not just TV. Just as 1965-70 was a huge leap too . Isn't it funny that 1980-1985 was NOT a huge leap ? Nor was 1985-1990 huge.

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Yes and 2 shows from James L Brooks led the way, MTM (1970-1977) and Room 222 (1969-1974). Room 222 went as far as getting the laugh track dropped after season one since it was truly a dramedy. I would even say The Courtship of Eddie's Father (1969-1972) could be included on that list, which was a James Komack show. Komack also brought us Chico and the Man and produced Welcome Back Kotter. All in the Family gets so much credit for being groundbreaking, but there were other shows that came along first and were certainly changing the sitcom ladscape.

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InherentlyYours, you were right about everything you wrote, but you were too smart for the room.

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I agree with you. And you want early sophistication in Sitcoms? Think Eve Arden's lines in Our Miss Brooks.

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