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This film is NOT racist! Shame on the NAACP for what they are doing!!


This film won't be released because people are afraid of the stereotypes of the african american culture. Let me tell you something, there is nothing stereotypical about this film. Its a great film that the whole family can enjoy. The hero of this film is Uncle Remus who happens to be a black man! I mean he saves the day! This is why I am ashamed at groups like the NAACP because they are supposed to be the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People... Well look at the history surrounding this film, James Baskett who played uncle remus in the film won an academy award for his performance as Uncle Remus! That is a major achievement in black history! Anyways there is no racism in this film whatsoever, and it is a heartfelt warm family story. The message is actually the opposite of racist in that black and whites are playing together throughout the film. Its great.

So by not releasing this film I believe it is being more racist. The African American community is holding back the recognition from themselves! Historically this film probably changed alot of people's minds about race when it was first released in the mid 1940's. To show black and white kids playing together was rare let alone on a big screen! Historically it is amazing and the people trying to hold it back are the true racists. Face it.... if the NAACP really practiced what they preach they would be demanding the release of this film not banning it! I am ashamed that an organization like NAACP, which I have nothing but the upmost respect for, would be doing this in the first place. But as with all political groups... sometimes they get it right and sometimes they don't. I have many African American friends who agree with me and love this movie and the message it portrays. I am very surprised that this cute little beloved Disney film is one of the most controversial films ever!

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It is not true that the NAACP has "banned" the film although they had some objections when it was originally released in 1946. Here is a quote from the
FAQ on songofthesouth.net

Q. Has Song of the South really been banned?

A. No. This is one of the long-standing myths surrounding this movie. It has been said that the NAACP banned the movie, but that simply isn't true. The NAACP did show their disapproval of the portrayal of African-Americans in the film even when Song of the South was being produced, however there hasn't been any official "banning" going on anywhere. As far as we know, Disney has taken it upon themselves to withhold this movie from the public. Supposedly, the NAACP has no current position on the film.




I don't think I want to go to the pictures. Oh?Why not? I've seen everything worth seeing.

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"When "Splash Mountain", an amusement ride based on the film, "Song of the South" opened in Disneyland in the '90's, the local NAACP and others protested the ride."

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I've ridden Splash Mountain and it has nothing racist about it. There isn't even an Uncle Remus character, it is just the animated animals.
The NAACP is hurting themselves. Of course, they are the ones who prefer to still be referred to as "colored" (in their title) and then get mad when anyone uses it to describe them. Hypocritical and robbing their youth of their heritage.

You didn't bring enough pigs to stop me.

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Have you bothered to look at the "Trivia" section here at IMDB? I'll post it here for you:

- When "Splash Mountain", an amusement ride based on the film, "Song of the South" opened in Disneyland in the '90's, the local NAACP and others protested the ride.


Just like Wikipedia, there are those who post mis-information to imdb, both intentionally and unintentionally. I was curious about that Splash Mountain blurb so I looked it up and can't find any information in newspapers or anywhere else to suggest there's a lick of truth to it. Adding further suspicion to its plausibility, Splash Mountain opened in mid-1989, not in the '90s.


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The NAACP definately has a position on this film and they sure dont like it. The funny thing is that they are so very very wrong about this film. They should actually watch it. Its funny how black people get all upset about stereotypes, yet when white people get portrayed as stereotypes we just laugh! People need to shut the hell up and stop being so offended! We elected a black president! Racism is not an issue anymore, slavery was over 200 years ago, get over it! Not to mention if you really want to get into it, black people were one of the first ones to actually start human slavery! Then they decided to sell their own people to the white man for profit. So blacks are just as responsible for slavery as whites are! Sure its wrong, but get over it already! Stop spreading hate and racism because if you fight hate with hate, all you get is more hate! Listen to what Martin Luther King Jr said and get over your malcolm x, jesse jackson mentality!

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They are wrong because YOU say so? Did you even bother to ask why...or did you impart your own feelings onto the issue and summarily dismiss theirs because they disagree? Sounds like it from where I sit.

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Malcom X was a racist. Howv do I know you might ask? MY UNCLE KNOWS A MAN THAT WAS A BODYGAURD to Malcom X. He said that Malcolm X hated white people. That's why he quit working for him.

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Hey mattdavis, I was wondering are you black or white?

You sound white to me (I'm white too, the movie sounds like it's a very sweet movie with unfortunate racial implications (I don't recall seeing it, I may have seen it as a kid and forgotten it)


If you are white I don't think you are in any position to say this movie is racist or not, you are not black, you are not a member of the race that is being stereotyped in this film.

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'If you are white I don't think you are in any position to say this movie is racist or not, you are not black, you are not a member of the race that is being stereotyped in this film.'

Hi neko-neko-1 - I read your response. I am an African American grandmother and I believe you are a very wise.

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NAACP must be ashamed of their Heritage.

"$200,000 is a lot of Money. We're gonna have to Earn It."

Blondie to Angel Eyes and Tuco

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I find it fascinating that anyone can still be ignorant enough in this country to say that 'racism is no longer an issue'. I am white, and educated enough to certainly realize that racial issues are still very much alive and I would imagine will be for a long time to come, if not forever in America.
The reflexive, bizarre argument that black people should just 'laugh off' stereotypes the way white people do is ludicrous. To begin with, white people don't laugh off all that much, believe me. Secondly, it is a frequent and weak argument that racism is prevalent in the same way in the black community as it is in the white. If you have been the race legislated against, lynched, had your churches burned, etc...your sense of racism is skewed differently that that of the oppressive, law making race that holds you down. If anything, the African American community has earned with blood, their right not to have to 'laugh off' offensive stereotypes.
To further denigrate the issue by accusing black people of being the 'original racists' is laughable. I'm not ashamed of being white, but, I am fully accepting of the history of my race and what it has created in terms of injustice and hypocrisy. I don't have anything against Song Of The South really, art is art, created in its time, for its time, etc...I enjoy Gone With The Wind and many other films or pieces of art such as Huckleberry Finn that do not necessarily portray black people in as honest a way as I'm sure they could have, but, I also do not resent black people for not appreciating or enjoying it.
The NAACP does not have the power to legislate, all they can do is make noise for what they believe in, if Disney is holding back the DVD release of a film, that's their business. It is a curio, a somewhat uncomfortable artifact of a less enlightened time.
Thank God we have Barack Obama, a welcome relief from an ignorant, war profiteering cowboy joke, but, it hardly means that race is a dead issue in this country. The ignorance of the original poster and the not so subtle feelings of his (or her) own that emerge about race are proof of it.
Grow up and realize that while our current equality should never be in question, our past equality was non existent, that will for generations inform how differently we feel about things that are close to us. They same could be said of women, Jews or any other group that was once held under the thumb of a dominant majority.
It's so interesting how simplistic some people's arguments can be.

"What's the rumpus?"

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that was very well put.

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Gondorff4, actually mattddavis was right. Grow up and leave your childish ideology behind. Your ignorance is probably because you are not educated enough to know what is really going on, but if you are smarter than your post makes you sound, you can remedy that. You come off as someone who has spent time in a university, not being educated, but certainly being indoctrinated and brainwashed.

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Racism still exists. President Obama won despite being black, not because racism is over. It took an exceptional person in exceptional circumstances to break the color barrier. A similarly eloquent, charismatic and intelligent white person would have received even more of the popular vote.

The film is clearly not racist. The most favorably portrayed character is Uncle Remus, and the least favorable character is Johnny's mother.

The film doesn't stereotype either. A stereotype is an idea or suggestion that all members of a group is on way or another. The film does not suggest that all black men are like Uncle Remus, or even that all late 19th century black men were like Uncle Remus. Not all african americans in the South following the Civil War were plantation-hands linke Uncle Remus, but many were. The writers of "Song of the South" shouldn't have to apologize because George Washington Caver didn't stop by to suggest Grandmother try crop rotation to peanuts every few years.

The victory of President Obama doesn't mean that racism is over. However, his victory was a big step that might lead to films like this being released. A black man in the White House has done a lot to undo past stereotypes.

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It's slightly stereotypical, but in terms of historical context it was very, very tame.

We have access to Birth of a Nation. If we want to go online and purchase a legal copy of D.W. Griffith's Birth of a Nation, we can. Birth of a Nation makes heroes of the KKK, and has many bitter, offensive things to say about African Americans in the South (not to mention that they were all played by white actors in black-face). We're talking about a film that set off a rebirth for the KKK. This hateful, offensive film is not only readily available on DVD to anyone willing to purchase, but it also remains a critically acclaimed film.

Song of the South plays on a few racial stereotypes here and there - which, mind you, has been happening for years and years. It continues to this very day, even in modern family films. You mean to tell me that Donkey in Shrek isn't a stereotype?

This raises another question. Are we merely confusing the fact that it's a black actor playing the role with stereotype? James Baskett was a black man. Maybe he played up the stereotype. But the fact remains he played a decent, honorable man. He didn't play a gangster rapper who got shot eighteen times to come back, shoot some dude and continue rapping. He was a decent elderly black man who liked to tell stories.

I could understand if it were a white actor in black-face, chomping down fried chicken, and stealing a white woman. But that's not the case, now is it?

It is a part of film history, and the public deserves a chance to own it. I mean, come on... it's the first time an Oscar was awarded to an African American actor (male). It was in a separate category that they made specifically for his performance, but that's still saying something.

They can get around the whole race issue, too, by placing a PSA at the beginning of the DVD. I just finished watching Pinocchio, and before the trailers even start, there's an anti-smoking PSA - likely because of the controversial images of Pinocchio and Lampwick smoking within the film.

Or they could just replace Uncle Remus with a walkie-talkie, if that will satisfy the irrationally faint-hearted.

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I understand that Song of the South used stereotypes. But what movie that featured African Americans in the 30's-50's DIDN'T? This includes Disney films. Look at the crows in Dumbo. Want to buy that one? It's been readily available for years.

People should be allowed to choose what they watch. I'm not saying it's 100% PC, but it's not nearly as offensive as anyone makes it out to be - and is, in fact, far less offensive than many films featuring African American characters are today.

This film should be made available to the public. It is a piece of film history.

If every studio worried about offending anyone, no movie would ever be produced. Especially with how easy it is to offend some people. Song of the South was released in 1946. Our political climate has changed substantially over the last 60 years. I don't agree that just because people found it offensive back then, that we should be denied the availability of a classic today.

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Mmmkay, I'm gonna have to agree with the others. You're a troll, and you obviously haven't seen the film.

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Ooh, book burning. Good one. Nazi.

Exterminate!

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If you are white, how can you decide or say what is or isn't offensive to Black people? If you are Black, you need help because this is one big fat insult.
So what. Who are you to decide what should be censored and what shouldn't. There are lot of things out there that offend me. Get over it.

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Well the rest of humanity doesn't agree with that, it is offensive and comes from a period that many don't want to relive or hash up bad wounds. Disney could put it out if they so choose, but they don't, they know better and what is good for them.
Well you're not the rest of humanity, and neither am I for that matter. Also judging by the amount of posts against Disney keeping this withdrawn from the public, I'd say your in the minority here.
I'm sure you like cartoons like this as well and don't see anything wrong with them either.
They're a product of their times. If you choose not to watch them, then don't watch them. I don't, but I don't see why other shouldn't if they want to. That's their business.
You need to educate yourself and watch this though.
I don't need to do anything. You don't tell me what to do. I'll decide and judge for myself, thankyouverymuch.

I don't need your patronizing 'guidance' here. I've seen some of them and again, you don't have to watch them if you don't want to. Are they in bad taste, yes. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't be shown to those who want to see them and decide for themselves whether they're worthy or not.

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Well guess what boonhead, I just got the PAL DVD version of this and am enjoying it immensely. And you get to miss out.

How are you gonna stop me from seeing it now, freak...

lol....

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Wow, how freaky. Didn't take long for you to respond, now did it.

So your life is so unfulfilled and you were so bored that you were on top of this old conversation, waiting for a response from me all these many months?

I hope you checked every day...

lol...

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Wow, only freaky to a dunce like you.
Awww, tsk tsk tsk... temper temper temper lol...
You are too busy being a troller that you don't know how to set the controls on IMBd.com Anyone can have it set so that anytime you receive a post, you get an email notification. Since I can see email on my phone I know when you, unfortunately, or anyone else posts to me.
Now why would somebody bother to go to all that trouble. Hmmm?

Unless they're some kind of obsessive control freak that has to stay on top of old threads like this. The kind of person who goes around telling other people what they can or can't watch. You really should try to get over yourself, you know that? You're not that important.

I actually forgot all about this until I watched that imported DVD the other night. Then I started thinking about this old thread and how much of a rude b!tch you were. And so I just wanted to let you know that in case your space ship ever landed here again.
Most people today know how these things work. Like I said, since you aren't very bright, which shows by you being a troller, you weren't smart enough to figure it out.
But I don't really care about what every option is here. I snapped my fingers and you came running like the dog that you are, and here you are. I just want you to know that freedom of speech is alive & well and that some people will see "Song of The South" or "Birth Of A Nation" whether you or Disney like it or not.

Capisco?
do I put you on ignore?
Excellent idea! Now you're using your head, or what's left of it.

And just remember...here's looking out for you.

more lol....

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Excellent! I'm glad we have an understanding here.

I don't know why anybody would bother to put some kind of RSS feed to the imdb on their phone, but hey, knock yourself out.

Now you be a good little control freak and put me on your ignore list, k?

Unless you really don't want me to go away. Hmmm?

lol...

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Have you two hooked up yet? It sure looks to me like that's where this is heading...

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You know I once heard Mark Thompson (black radio host) on his show "Make It Plain" say that black children need to be educated to their heritage. That many black children do not realize their true roots from Africa, as Africa is home to Egypt, ancestors of modern day black Americans, who were the developers and engineers of their day, building and constructing the pyramids that are still considered wonders of the world.

Probably the real reason black groups don't want their children taught this is because then they would have to admit to their children that their incestors not only enslaved the Jews, killed their newborn children, and beat many of them to death but made them live under oppression and ridicule as second-rate citizens. I'm sure Mr. Thompson realizes that EVERY culture must take the good with the bad in all of our heritages. But it is hard to see your race as guilty of the SAME atrocities when you choose to remain victims to past mentality.

And anyone who views himself/herself as a victim will always be a victim -- weak and helpless.

You didn't bring enough pigs to stop me.

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"Probably the real reason black groups don't want their children taught this is because then they would have to admit to their children that their incestors not only enslaved the Jews, killed their newborn children, and beat many of them to death but made them live under oppression and ridicule as second-rate citizens."

So the actions of our ancestors many centuries in the past justify the immoral oppressive system that labeled people as lower than cattle, and continued to keep them in subjugation for decades?

"I'm sure Mr. Thompson realizes that EVERY culture must take the good with the bad in all of our heritages."

The ancestors of African-Americans weren't exclusively from Egypt, but taken from many different parts of Africa.

"But it is hard to see your race as guilty of the SAME atrocities when you choose to remain victims to past mentality. "

I'll accept your ridicuolous argument so I can ask you this questsion. Are the effects of our so-called "atrocities" in ancient Egypt still reverberating into the modern age?

The effects of the enslavement of Africans brought to America is still felt by African-Americans to this day. So, no, the two are not comparable.

Sorry, we won't just ACCEPT things the way they are but will continue fighting to become equals in a country that dehumanized our ancestors and continues to this day to perserve racism.

Disney can release the film or not release the film, it really doesn't matter, seeing as the film is readily accessible (ATM) on youtube. Seeing as they hold the rights to the film it is their decision to release the film. If they do choose some day in the future to release the film on dvd, or blu-ray (so we can view that old fashion disney racism in hi-res) I certainly won't be buying it, but that doesn't mean I'll boycott Disney, either.

The movie is a product of it's time, and should be treated as such.

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The fact of the matter is that regardless if this movie is offensive or not I can care less. I don't care if it was the most offensive movie to blacks on earth it should not be taken away from us. Censorship is evil. There are plenty of black movies out there where they make fun of white people. If a white actor dresses like a black man it is stereotypical and racist. Then you have movies like white chicks where two black man dress up as white women in a stereotypical way and YOU PEOPLE call it comedy! Yes I said "You people" get over it! You don't like the way blacks are portrayed in this film, don't watch it! But stop whining about everything! The world doesn't owe you a thing! Stop pulling the race card everytime something doesn't go your way. Look at our president. He is a black man and is a very educated man who was well deserving of his title. You can't be a lazy ignorant person and then demand that society just give you money and a job without earning it regardless of what color you are! And you people are the ones who make everything about race. Blacks are more racist than whites! Its ok for black people to tell their kids not to hang out with "white folk". I know many blacks who follow this philosophy but they think it is ok. But if I told my kids to not hang out with black kids then I would be racist. Maybe race doesn't have anything to do with it! What if I just don't want my kid to grow up to be a rapper wannabe thugster? I suppose that makes me a racist too. Everyone needs to shut up. We have a black president now (who I voted for by the way, and your welcome). That right there should make any race issues invalid. Its not like black people have to be afraid in a white neighborhood. Most of us that are under the age of 80 were raised without racism! But a white man walks into a black neighborhood and they tear us up! Trust me I have had to deal with it on many occassions for work and the level of disrespect I recieved by people who are supposedly so concerned about race being a problem was astonishing to say the least. I was respectful and was still called a whitey and cracker.

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I caught this film in its rerelease way back in 1981. I went in just because I was curious to see if it was racist. It wasn't--not even remotely. I'm astounded that to this day the NAACP STILL protests this film even though most of them have never seen it! I didn't hear a peep out of them when "Mandingo" was issued on DVD and that's full of white on black violence, rape, torture--you name it. I can't figure out why they're picking on Disney and just totally ignoring other films from other companies that ARE racist.
BTW--when I saw the film up the theatre there were plenty of black adults there with their children and they all loved the film.

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Christ...

If I happen to be black, and can claim some kind of oppression (delusional or not) that somehow makes me feel empowered to yell and scream at companies to do as I say or else...of course Disney is going to listen...scumbags like Jesse Jackson have enough power (given by ignorant blacks who for some reason like the idea of another black man keeping them down instead of whitey) to ensure that these companies feel it in their ledgers if they ignore the will of the black people (most of whom know nothing about and care even less what they're protesting)...as long as a black man in a suit tells them they're being oppressed.

Fact: Most black folks I know...and being in the heart of the south I know plenty...would laugh there butts off if they watched song of the south...at least if they were not first told it was offensive. It wouldn't even occur to them to be offended...probably because most of them have been protected from understanding anything substantive about their heritage that might be deemed harmful by the powers that be...for instance I have never met a black person (and very few white) that knew their ancestors were almost exclusively sold into slavery by other black folks. I guess most people think that whitey was wandering around Africa, fending off hostile tribes and diseases to collect their own slaves...but why would they do that when almost any existing tribe was more than happy to sell off captives of conquered tribes and even their own excess population. This is historical fact...but do you think any movie would ever see the light of day which illustrated these points?

Sort of like the historical FACT behind Song of the South which has so many in an uproar...that not all free blacks or even...wait for it...slaves were unhappy with their lot or mistreated by every white they saw. Am I defending slavery as an institution? Absolutely not...but pretending that Uncle Tom's Cabin (written by a woman who had never actually been either a slave OR south of the Mason Dixon line) was the experience of every slave in America is unhealthy for everyone involved...particularly the blacks from whom an important part of their heritage is being hidden.

Anyone who believes that the idea that some blacks may have gotten on fairly well with whites will somehow injure black folks obviously has some deep seated lack of respect for black folks in general...but isn't that an important part of being someone who constantly plays the race card? A deep seeded dislike for the race in question especially when the person is a member of said race. That sort of self loathing is exactly why arguments like this ever reach the light of day...and why a very beautiful film which should be cherished as a part of American culture looks like it will always remain hidden from all but the most open minded of Americans.

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