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Why all the baths?


What was the point of all the baths Waldo took?

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What was the point of all the baths Waldo took?

I'm puzzled by your question "all the baths."

In the opening scene, Waldo is introduced in the tub. In a flashback scene, Waldo is seen in the tub writing a critique of one of Laura's suitors. That's only 2 baths.

The point is that Waldo is a rich eccentric who types and does paperwork in the tub, as if he was sitting at a desk. Apparently that irony was lost on you.

Most people bathe or shower at least once a day. Don't you?

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Obviously people take baths, but classic movies usually did not show adult characters sitting in baths conversing with people in not one but two scenes. Usually we would hear a man say "just a minute " and he would come out in a robe, but not inviting them in to sit with him while he is naked in the tub. I don't know of another movie like this where the character is shown taking baths in two scenes, and there are many ways to show someone is an eccentric without showing him in the bath. Waldo apparently liked having discussions with people while bathing. Perhaps there was some innuendo that a code movie tried to imply, that he was well endowed and so got a kick out of it when he got out of the bath and asked a fellow to hand him a towel, kind of a twisted way for him to boost his ego by showing off his wares. This was a very interesting way to show how deviant this guy was at the time of the code, when they couldn't show overt behavior like cross dressing. The baths were another clue to Waldo.

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Obviously people take baths, but classic movies usually did not show adult characters sitting in baths conversing with people.

It was just another way of showing how eccentric Waldo was.

All kinds of things can be (and have been) read into Waldo's exhibitionism and sexuality, but these things are in the minds of the viewers -- and rightly so.

The movie doesn't overtly make an issue out of them, and I personally feel no need to go there. Let each person take away from the scene what he wants.

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I can imagine that scene raised eyebrows in the 40's.

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I'm trying to think of some kind of metaphorical connection to the painting "The Death of Marat" (in his bath) but am coming up blank. But it's what I immediately thought of when I first saw Waldo in the bath with the typewriter on the board over it.

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I hope yu didn't lose sleep or miss a meal trying to make that connection. I understand the possiblr similarity but, in this case, can't think that was an intended reference. The painting is very fine of course. But who would be Lydecker/Marat's Charlotte Corday?

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I think that many people at that time bathed less than daily. They washed but full immersion in a tub or shower was less common. Waldo's bathing habits would have marked him as odd.

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I think that many people at that time bathed less than daily. They washed but full immersion in a tub or shower was less common. Waldo's bathing habits would have marked him as odd.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I disagree with your spin.

The OP's original question about "all the baths" is erroneous and misleading.

As I already stated, Waldo is only seen in the tub twice. Nothing really strange about that.

What makes him "odd" and eccentric is that he's working in the tub as if he was at a desk, and he invites a complete stranger into the room, then stands naked before him.

Nothing wrong with men being naked in front of other men, but most people wouldn't do that in the privacy of their own home and bathroom. If nothing else, you wouldn't know how the other person would take it. Simple manners. Waldo may have been a bit of an exhibitionist, adding to his aura of being "odd."

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up until the 1950s, and the growth of suburbia, most people, rich or poor bathed once a week, the old "Saturday night bath" was a well understood term. Hot water heaters where not common in most homes prior to the 1950s, and luxuries like a a tub or shower in a urban apartments or hotels, unless belonging to the upper classes were not all that common, as they had communal baths in the buildings, it was to show waldo was socially upper class and well off and eccentric, a bit of a urban upper crust snob, and that was one of his weird things typing in the tub, maybe it relaxed him?

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Catch me taking an elevator ride with you. Ugh.

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Joan Crawford spent a lot of time in the tub in "The Women", and she had various callers and phone calls in there with her too. So, it was done in other movies.

Not sure what they were trying to show, except that her character was a bit of a snob and thought she was all important.

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What "all the baths"? I don't recall them saying that he was bathing all the time.

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JimHutton (1934-79) & ElleryQueen

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One practical reason for the baths; Waldo described the Sunday of the weekend Laura died as the hottest he could remember, there would have been no air conditioning in his apartment, so sitting and doing his writing in a cool bath would have made sense. The fact he invited MacPherson into the bathroom just helped to demonstrate Waldo's eccentricity..and his narcissism.

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One practical reason for the baths; Waldo described the Sunday of the weekend Laura died as the hottest he could remember, there would have been no air conditioning in his apartment, so sitting and doing his writing in a cool bath would have made sense. The fact he invited MacPherson into the bathroom just helped to demonstrate Waldo's eccentricity..and his narcissism.

Your logic is very sound. I'll admit it (the heat) never occurred to me, and Waldo does, in his opening voice-over, make a point of it. However, I don't think the audience was supposed to think that deeply or make that connection.

Your final sentence sums it up: It was to show his eccentricity, to invite a stranger into his bath, then stand up naked before him. Narcissism: Waldo was a bit of an exhibitionist. 😨

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I agree with those who believe that the character was a bit of a "snob."

But more importantly, I got the impression from the mannerisms of the character that he had a kind of Howard Hughes loathing of germs, and his refuge into a bathtub was his way of dealing with those who dared to pollute his area with them.

You'll notice that in real-life, there are folks who are observed constantly washing their hands.

Please note the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive–compulsive_disorder

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Legend has it that Hughes was very controlling toward women, as Waldo is toward Laura. I'm sure "control" factors into OCD.

"No, I don't like to cook, but I have a chicken in the icebox, and you're eating it."

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Agreed

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It is quite a bit more simple than everyone is making it out to be. The character of Waldo was based loosely on Alexander Woolcott, very well known critic for The New Yorker and member of the (in)famous Algonquin Roundtable. In his biography Harpo Speaks, Harpo Marx talks at length about his friendship with Woollcott. Marx speaks of a number of Woollcott's eccentricities, one of which was a habit of frequent and very long baths.

The character Sheridan Whiteside in "The Man Who Came To Dinner" was also based on Woollcott, quite an interesting figure in New York society in the first half of the 20th century.

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It is quite a bit more simple than everyone is making it out to be. The character of Waldo was based loosely on Alexander Woolcott, very well known critic for The New Yorker and member of the (in)famous Algonquin Roundtable. In his biography Harpo Speaks, Harpo Marx talks at length about his friendship with Woollcott. Marx speaks of a number of Woollcott's eccentricities, one of which was a habit of frequent and very long baths.

#1 - How is anyone (then or now) supposed to know the habits of Alexander Woolcott?

#2 - And, more to the point: The OP's question about "all the baths" is both misleading and erroneous.

Waldo is only shown in the tub twice, to illustrate his eccentricities. I don't know how this translates to "all the baths."

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#1 - Woollcott was quite famous and was a well known eccentric. Woollcott was something of a trope in his day. My guess? It was an inside joke. I'm sure everyone involved in the production and most everyone who saw the movie knew who Woollcott was. And guess what? Now anyone who reads this thread will know about that particular habit and the reference of the very peculiar bath scene.

#2 - Exactly how many times have you seen ANY male character in a bath in a serious film, much less twice? MUCH LESS getting out of the tub in front of a male stranger? In the '50s? It's an oddity of this film. I posted to bring a bit of knowledge that I happen to have on the subject due to having read a book that the vast majority of film fans have not.

It seems strange to me that you would choose to be this militant over a point that is, at its core, simple semantics.

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It seems strange to me that you would choose to be this militant over a point that is, at its core, simple semantics.

Not militant, just accurate.

The comparison of Waldo to Woollcott has been discussed here before, so you are not bringing anything new to the table -- even though you think you are.

I still feel that "all the baths" by the OP is a misnomer and an inaccurate representation of what happened.

It's simply my opinion.

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Waldo is introduced as a rich, excentric and self-centred man

quite similar to the ridiculous bathtub scenes in "the women"

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Waldo wanted to get clean. Many of us bathe every day, sometimes more than once!

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