One Big Problem: Reality


For me the trouble with "The Major and the Minor" is that Ginger didn't look like a child of twelve. In real life she was apparently thirty! Now there's no way an actress of that maturity can be made to look sixteen years younger, even with pig tails and kiddie clothes. One has to suspend belief in what one really sees to make this film work--which was tough job for me. While it's a terrific comic script, the stark reality of aging on Ginger roadblocked my complete enjoyment of this film.

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Well to me it seemed exaggerated the fact that she pretended to be her mother and he didn't realize that it was her. Although there is the alternative that he knew she was older all along, but wanted to play her game and make everything more interesting. All in all, great and intertaining movie! Too bad they don't make such movies now.

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But Ginger Rogers isn't playing a twelve year old, she is playing a twenty/thrity something passing herself off as a twelve year old. The situation is absurd and the film-makers recognise that. The audience never forgets that Rogers is much older than the characters think she is which makes several scenes much funnier had it been someone who actually looked like a twelve year old.

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It's also not like everyone is like, "OKAY, your twelve." The ticket taker on the train and alot of other people catch on that something isn't right. Besides- have you seen some of the girls who are 13 nowadays? They look 27.

Also, you have to accept that fact that it is a little absurd. I mean take Some Like it Hot, for instance. How can the girls REALLY believe that Jack Lemon and Toy Curtis are girls? It's obvious to the movie goer what the truth is and it's the movies job to take you on a journey in which people find out the truth.

We know Ginger Rogers is 30, but that's because we know Ginger Rogers and we know how old she was when she made this movie. That's why it's FUNNY.

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It's a MOVIE!!!!!!

Yes, what makes it funny is that she is so not 12.

And as for reality, on the scary side a 30 year old man tried to pass himself off as a teenager on Arizona. he's doing time now.

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Besides- have you seen some of the girls who are 13 nowadays? They look 27.

From a distance, or in a photo where they are made up and lit just perfectly, some do.

From up close in a personal conversation: no, they don't. (Some may well still look 16 or so even up close; but not mid-to-late-20s.)

I gotta say, my personal "willing suspension of disbelief" had a harder time swallowing all of the adults that bought Rogers-is-12 than I did with Lemon-and-Curtis-are-women in Some Like It Hot or with Andrews-is-a-man-female-impersonator in Victor / Victoria. I couldn't begin to tell you why that was the case. I don't know the answer myself, because those are just about as ludicrous (or, in the case of Lemon putting on a women's bathing suit and going to the beach, probably even more ludicrous; although they did light and photograph that particular bit so as to minimize the problem).

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Billy Wilder addressed this in his biography by Charlotte Chandler (he spoke to the author for the book over a period of twenty-five years or so prior to his death). He noted that Rogers posing as a 12-year old was fine then but would look foolish now (speaking in the '80s or '90s). He said that it was never actually believable, but that didn't matter because audiences in 1941 were more generous. They came to enjoy themselves and were more willing to go slong with filmmakers.

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The main thing I think to understand is that this movie would have been far more inappropriate had the actress actually LOOKED 12....
We don't mind watching this romantic comedy when we know at all times the actress is older.
A younger looking actress might have made this a bit less funny....

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If you think she's ridiculous as a twelve-year-old, try watching Jerry Lewis
in the remake, YOU'RE NEVER TOO YOUNG. One problem: Lewis is a six-foot-tall
man trying to play a twelve-year-old. It's a funny movie, though, and a good
remake of a classic, which is rare.

I'm not crying, you fool, I'm laughing!

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Yeah, this bothered my sense of reality, but not as much as, say, "101 Dalmatians", where they had dogs talking. I had trouble buying the premise in "Stuart Little", as well, and "King Kong".

But they used to make these REALLY weird movies where everybody would just start singing and dancing, and there'd be, like, this orchestra playing really good arrangements of songs exactly about what was happening to the characters, and where were they? Just off stage? And all the choreography- sometimes between characters who had supposedly just met? When did they rehearse and learn the song?

Puh-lease, Hollywood. They must think we're all chumps.

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Give it a break, guys. You're probably the same ones who think Avatar is a fantastically realistic movie. To me, movies today are 100 times more unbelievable than this one.

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Of course you have to suspend disbelief in any farce of this type, but I agree that casting Ginger Rogers was a mistake. Ginger is tall, broad-shouldered and buxom - nobody could ever believe that she could pass herself off as a 12-year old. Surely there were other actresses a bit more slender and petite who could have made the ruse at least marginally believable. I agree that this was so far from any sense of reality that it marred an otherwise enjoyable comedy.

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I had a friend who's mom was from Sweden. At 13, my friend was broad shouldered, mature looking, and 5'10". She was gorgeous, like a model.

I agree that there were qualities to Ginger that pointed towards her being an adult, like her womanly figure, and her more mature face as opposed to a fresh-faced 12 year old.

But this was a more innocent era, and people were more likely to take things at face value. And like others have said, the point was for us to know she was an adult at all times, and to laugh along at all the silly situations this put her in. It's unlikely to happen in real life, but something funny and refreshing for us to watch and not to stress out over.

I'm 35, and I still have people assume that I'm in college every so often, and that's without me even trying. They can't believe it when I say that I have a 16 year old daughter. It's almost embarrassing, in a way.

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Of course she's mature looking. Why do you think all those young boys wanted to dance with her? Twelve year old girls, generally speaking, do not look like that.

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The movie is a farce and allowed to have "cartoon logic". Like when a 30 year old dresses up as a 12 year old girl, it will be accepted unless it's funny to have a character suspect she's older.

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They may have done a good job been dressing her to look like a child but they really blew it with the make up. Why the heck did they do the whole lip stick, eye brow/eye liner thing ? She actually did look a heck of a lot younger when she stepped out of the womans lounge at the train station. I wounder how much younger she would have looked without all the make up ? Probably that Ginger said 'ok' to the movie 'but don't ask me to do it sans make up, that isn't going to happen". I was never a big fan of Ginger as I was introduced to her through her dance/Astair movies. Talented yes but just not my thing - too 'athletic' for my taste. However, when she was changing out of her adult clothes in that train station lounge... well that shot of her with the seemed nylons/heels...wow, hubba-hubba, yowza !! I appreciate the heck outta her now !
I'm watching this now on TCM. Just caught the line "Can you dance (Susan) ?" LOL !

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It wasn't a more innocent era and I don't know why people today think that sophistication began with them. It was just that people had different expectations for movies. And for today's audiences it would be just plain creepy if she DID look 12 and her "uncle" fell in love with her. Shades of Lolita! lol Part of the humor is that so many people are looking askance at her claims and even the "uncle" sees her differently with his right eye but he has an idea about her age and that clouds his version of reality. The whole thing was silly, as it was supposed to be. It was a Billy Wilder comedy. It wasn't a documentary.

A bigger problem with reality is the line about Pamela not wanting to be "a war widow and there's not even a war." I think audiences might have been more disturbed by the prewar story that came out after Pearl Harbor than about Ginger Rogers' age. This movie was passe' before it even hit the theaters, with its officer stalled in his career in the prime of life when he would have been one of the first to be sent to active duty, and all the references to WWI strategy. There's very little sense of danger with being posted overseas, no sense of national sacrifice or the feeling that he might never come back alive or in one piece. The cadets were learning that fixed lines of defense wouldn't work in a modern war but there was no feeling that the war was imminent. It was as inappropriate for wartime as an Elvis military movie, and indeed it has a lot of the comedic elements of a 1950s cadet movie.

Most of the comedies after the war broke out either incorporated that into the plot or had nothing to do with it at all, or in the exceptional case of a Deanna Durbin movie made right before Pearl Harbor, added a prologue that stated that the plot takes place in a fantasy land where there is no rationing etc which indicates that moviegoers might lose their ability to suspend disbelief when the story strayed TOO far from their actual situation.

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I realise that the post I am replying to is from 11 years ago and therefore the person who wrote it will probably never see my reply, but I just have to correct one thing: the strategy references that the boys make are actually to the German attack on France in WWII, not WWI. The USA hadn’t joined yet, but the war was raging in Europe at the time the movie took place.

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Ginger Rogers claimed to be 5'5 in real life*, and was very slim and slight. If they'd used tall actors for the rest of the cast, she'd have looked small enough, in all respects.

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And if they'd used better lighting and scrubbed the makeup and false eyelashes off of her face, she'd have made a much more convincing 12-year-old.

* Actors usually claim to be a bit taller than they are.

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But it's funny because Phillip was the only one who really believed that she was 12.

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Only the Ray Milland character believed she was 12 and he had a bad eye.

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I have to disagree somewhat with OP's statement "...there's no way an actress of that maturity can be made to look sixteen years younger..." (BTW, not to be nitpicky, but 18 years...30-18=12).

Just off the top of my head (I can probably think of others if I bothered), Julie Harris in "The Member of the Wedding". I believe she was about 26 or 27 and assayed the role of a tomboyish young teen of 13 or 14 with fairly convincing authority (and, c'mon, you do have to suspend disbelief in films, particulary nearly every film made in the past 10 years, IMO).

Now Harris probably could have played this role well into her early 30's because she had a very boyish figure and sensuality. Moreover, she is an outstanding actress.

The shocking thing, to my mind, for its time, was all the slightly older boys of 13 to 17 pawing all over a 12 year old. Even today it is kind of revolting to imagine a 12 year old girl making out...and no doubt most of these boys hoped for something more. I'm no prude, but I would break my daughters arms (not really, just trying to stress how revolted I am by the notion..and my daughter is only 18 months, so I have a while to reflect on this).

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i thought the film was going to end up with Ray Milland knowing all along. Werent you more revolted when he was squinting and fantasising about her when he thought she was 12.

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Werent you more revolted when he was squinting and fantasising about her when he thought she was 12.


That and the scene where Milland was cuddling Ginger Rogers on the train when he assumed she was afraid of lightning were by far the creepiest parts of thte movie!!!



By the way... Star Wars prequels suck!!

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Why? Don't you comfort scared children where you're from or do you see them as sex objects?

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That is part of the joke.

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I WAS 12 when I saw that film and myself, my friends etc didn't act and behave
anything like that.

Don't forget the Martin & Lewis musical where Jerry did the same thing also acting younger then a 12 year old should.

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Remember when the sister says "you're not twelve, even though you're acting like six."?

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As she was/is older yes a few times

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