There are a lot of measles outbreaks now and apparently this is more than a temporary irritant. I think there is a flaw in my thinking, but if all the people who are vaccinated don't need to worry, why should we worry about measles? If people want to roll the dice with their vaccinations, how does this affect the rest of us? Certainly having to pay the medical costs is something, but most kids hopefully ARE vaccinated so how is this turning into an epidemic?
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This explains herd immunity.
Like I've said on another post, I've had my vaccinations and and recently had a booster for measles, but my immune system is severely compromised due to treatment. There is no guarantee that I'm protected. Measles virus is airborne and can stay in the air for up to two hours. Measles can be serious and it can kill.
I hear you and I'm sorry for assuming anyone who has been vaccinated doesn't need to worry. I figured there must be something wrong in my thesis. I figured if people don't want to vaccinate their kids, the only one who might be hurt is the un-vaccinated. And thanks for replying. The first response I got for a somewhat serious concern.
shareI think a big concern is newborns as well.
shareI would hope they wouldn't be exposed the way school kids are, but I suppose it's a concern.
shareIf the mother had ever contracted measles, then there are antibodies in her breast milk that give the infant protection. If the mother never had measles because she got the vaccine instead, good luck.
shareThere is no herd immunity. Most adults do not get booster shots. Any protection they had as children wore off long ago. Anyone born before the 1980's probably never got the vaccine at all.
It's kind of a fraudulent concept anyway. They say we need to vaccinate at least 95% of the population in order to activate it. Guess what? They used to say it was 70%. It was changed to 95% for political purposes, because the vaccination rate was in the low 90's and they wanted to use this to pressure us. Now it's an excuse for fear-mongering, because we're always just teetering around the threshold. If you think about what the concept actually means i.e. more people vaccinated means fewer circulating cases of measles, pretty basic, then there is no threshold and it's just a spectrum.
There's another issue at play called "vaccine shedding". The measles vaccine can actually cause a person to shed the virus, meaning people around you can contract it. This is actually one of the reasons they allow for "medical exemptions" to taking a vaccine. If you live in the same household as someone with a compromised immune system, you aren't supposed to get vaccinated. Nobody tells you this. I noticed your video has comments disabled.
Herd immunity has nothing to do with what the OP asked though, since it's about protecting people who have compromised immune systems. It doesn't address why people who are vaccinated are told to worry so much.
Where is your proof that herd immunity doesn't work?
Born in the 70's and I was vaccinated for measles.
I know about shedding, that's why I took precautions when members of my family, who I do not live with, got the shingles vaccine. Both doctors and the pharmacy informed them of the risks.
If you're worried about paying other people's medical costs then you should be either against socialized medicine or in favor of all sorts of behavior regulations. Measles is itchy bumps for a week. It doesn't cost anything, not like AIDS or diabetes. Besides, punishing people with measles and punishing people who are unvaccinated are two different things. Most people who get measles are vaccinated. That explains why we don't really trust it.
shareMaybe your assertion about most people who get measles is accurate. I don't know. I have heard that measles can have worse effects than just a fever and bumps. Hopefully rare but possible.
The point of starting the thread was partly to figure out why this is considered such an issue these days. Maybe it's because we had hoped it was nearly eradicated, like polio. So an outbreak is considered a problem.
Measles can be bad if you're malnourished. People used to die from it, but that stopped a long time ago, way before the vaccine was ever introduced. Deaths were already down to zero. The thing that changed with the vaccine was that people stopped getting measles altogether. That might change again as the virus adapts and the vaccine stops working. It would be easy to blame the wrong people.
shareWhat are your stats on most people getting measles are vaccinated?
Measles are not just itchy bumps for a week. Tell that to the recent flight attendant who wound up in a coma. Common complications of measles are pneumonia and febrile convulsions. Those aren't that too serious in young healthy people, but pneumonia in an older person can kill them. Other complications could be hepatitis, meningitis or encephalitis. If someone is pregnant they could lose the baby either by miscarriage of stillbirth.
I think it's somewhere in the range or 75% vaccinated versus 25% not, which is generally true for any vaccine. But there's a lot more to it. For example, in any particular outbreak, it could be 100% vaccinated. This has been the case with some of the larger outbreaks on college campuses. Authorities and news articles will report it, but they do it quietly the same way they report that mass shooters are always taking Ritalin.
It shows that the vaccine isn't all it's cracked up be, and that people are right to doubt it. But often our doubt is misdirected to concepts like herd immunity and scapegoats like anti-vaxxers. Blame the manufacturer.
The anti-vaxxers are using this Brady Bunch episode in their stupid campaign
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNl1yNckUFQ
Yeah, people want to think it's simply an inevitable part of growing up but I am led to believe it can be more serious.
shareWhat about chicken pox? There are lots of shows that will always remind us of a time when chicken pox was normalized.
shareI got chicken pox when I was 20. Miserable for a couple days. Got it from a guy my own age. We may have both been dating the same woman, but I don't know if that would have played into it.
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