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Contrarian view of Russia, Ukraine, NATO & the USA.


Since the beginning of the war in Ukraine I have taken it on myself to research different points of view - because as an older American who has seen what this looks like so many times before, and read about it again and again in history books I recognized that most of what we hear in our media is total BS. In a way that has never been controlled like this before. There has always been strong contrarian voices in American before - but not any more.

First fallacy is that Ukraine is a country, in the sense that we in the US and Western Europe understand countries. That whole area of the world is a mess, and Ukraine is a patchwork of old and new type tribes. They are always changing and fighting over borders ( Except when they were part of the USSR ) These tribes can be infiltrated by money and the CIA in order for the US to exploit resources and the people there for our own gain. Ukrainians don't know what is going on.

Second fallacy is that Ukraine is a budding democracy. I cannot believe anyone is stupid enough to fall for what is obvious American military BS propaganda that has been used to justify force and gangsterism for Capitalism since very shortly after the US came into existence. You cannot have a democracy in country where there is not a united "moderate" population - let alone open military hostilities and assassinations in public throughout the land. It's BS, Ukraine is our tool to get at Russia. Russia is a huge prize to be taken by the West - the largest country in the world with relatively a very sparse population and vast resources. The last thing the US wants if for those resources to go to the people or Russia, or in general OUR resources that other countries somehow have on their lands that we are going to get to go to their people. The US "junta" has to own all resources and all streams of income based on those resources .... this is why the dollar is the only real currency.

The third fallacy is the historic relationship between Russia and Ukraine, or the claim that Russia does not have territories in Ukraine. Ukraine was Russia. It was probably a closer territory to Russia and more integral to Russia than Alaska or Hawaii are to the US, let alone Puerto Rico, or the stolen Guantanamo Bay. Ukraine was 1/3 of the Russian economy, and had massive industrial investment. The US and the EU has been paying off Ukrainian oligarchs to basically sell their country off to the West. Shuttering most of Ukraine's heavy industry because it would otherwise be competing with industry in the West. This led to massive unemployment in Ukraine that we never hear about - and emigration from Ukraine.

The breakup of the USSR was not done sensibly, nor with a ear to what this was going to develop into 40 years ago. Crimea and supporting environs is a critical part of Russia's defense and security including massive investment in the local economy and military installations, as well as Russia's only warm-water port access to the Atlantic. There are ethnic Russian speaking people who have lived there ... and be reminded that Ukraine and Crimea were Russian since the times the US become the US .... in the 1700's.

The combination of Russia's interests that are obvious, and the nasty way the US has taken over 50 billion of my taxpayer dollars and used it to set this military reality show up in our media, as well as clamping down on freedom of speech and the press in the worst way I have ever seen in my life make me sympathetic to the Russian side of this. I feel like the worse the US gets successfully, the worse it will get, and we have already turned a lot of countries against us, and forced other countries to go along with us in directions they don't want and never voted on.

In the interests of justice and fairness Russia should get what it wants. Which is, title to Crimea, either an independent Donbas and land bridge to Odessa or some way to resolve this so that it does not break out in war again in 20 years ... which is probably Ukraine ceding that area to Russia.

And the US needs to stop CIA and economic shenanigans all over the world. The amount of money that is thrown away in America's military and political intrigue all over the world could pay for all Americans to live a better than what we think of as average lifestyle that we think of as Middle Class. The best and brightest of America are being thrown away so we can suck foreign people from other countries and deplete them of brain power, and stomp Americans down here - making us a more global and oligarchic state.

*** Don't reply to me until you have read all of this, and have an actual intelligent comment to make - rebuttal or agreement.

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Please note how your fellow leftists turn on you as soon as you go against the chosen narrative.

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A very good overview interview of what is going on in the Ukraine war, and in American journalism - interview with Joe Lauria owner of Consortium News ... one of the best independent media outlets.

Joe Lauria + Lee Stranahan: War and Disinformation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htnIDwDkSlk

Talks about the media, Ukraine, Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, John Kiriakou ... great verified complete information on these issues that both sides of our media are censoring.

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Another great source of independent news and journalism ( except on the subject of the Middle East ) ... Democracy Now!

As U.S. Funnels Money to Ukraine, Independent Media Faces Pressure to Parrot Official Narrative
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyznp8qUEkg

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