xmen=lgbtq?


I've been contemplating this for a while - before even the time when the woke agenda dawned on us

Xmen animated series introduced us to various characters who had secret powers and then 'came out'. Many of them, upon coming out, were hated by their parents and by society at large.

Isn't that lgbtq movement in disguise?
Knowing what disney stands for these days, I'm not at all surprised that they picked that series in particular for the renewal project - and again, knowing what disney stands for these days, I have a suspicion that the 'disguise' is going to be much thinner this time around - just a hunch I got.

We'll see, I guess.



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I think they probably had racial discrimination and prejudice in mind when they created the X-men. Given the fact that they were created during the civil rights era 60s. But your idea works pretty well too.

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I'm not sure that racial discrimination really works, since again, many of these mutants were hated by their own parents - which is obviously not something you'd see in a family of the same race.

Just googled it - looks like I was right all along....
https://movieweb.com/x-men-lgbtq-allegory/
Mutant Powers Manifest During Puberty
The X-Gene Knows No Race or Gender

I must admit though - for a series from the 90's - the true purpose of the TV show was indeed very well disguised and it did feature some great stories. Of course, now that I realize what I was watching in my youth and how much further this is being pushed down our throats in the modern era... it makes me feel quite a bit uneasy. Still - you do have to appreciate the masterful subtleness of this approach.

PS. I looked at Stan Lee's bio - looks like he got married, had kids, etc - not likely to be a big pusher of lgbtq. I now begin to wonder if he was pushing the civil rights movement while masking it as a lgbtq experience of sorts (which was a rather miniscule part of society back in those days and wasn't of particular concern for the dominating patriarchy).

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I remember Ian McKellen saying that he saw X-Men as an allegorical story for being gay.

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Seems like that's what it was.

I looked at Stan Lee's bio - looks like he got married, had kids, etc - not likely to be a big pusher of lgbtq. I now begin to wonder if he was pushing the civil rights movement while masking it as a lgbtq experience of sorts (which was a rather miniscule part of society back in those days and wasn't of particular concern for the dominating patriarchy).

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To him, a gay man, sure. Or The X-Men could be an allegory for any kid who was a disappointment to his parents and knew it. You could read lgbtq, race, gender, or whatever you want into anything, if you're so inclined. Since not one of the creative cabal of Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Len Wein, Dave Cockrum, Chris Claremont, or John Byrne were gay, it's far more likely The X-Men were stand-ins for anyone who felt marginalized for any reason.

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It's odd that people can't think of anyone being outside of the mainstream without being lgbtetc.

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It's being pushed so fervently by the Tiny Hat Commission via the zeitgeist that this is what they want everyone to think -- that anything and everything is an allegory for being "queer".

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It's ok if that's someone's personal perception of something, but it's not ok when they expect everyone else to share that perception.

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The 90's animated series aired when groups were trying to pass ballot initiatives against gay people themselves. A measure in Colorado passed in 1992, but one in Oregon did not. The Colorado measure was struck down in 1996.

But it's also a metaphor for disability. Cyclops has to wear special glasses or a visor and Professor X is in a wheelchair (in the 1990's its a power/hoverchair). Both Cyclops and Professor x who have visible disabilities are the official team leaders. They speak to others outside of the school. The x-men with invisible disabilities do not have those mentioned leadership roles.

Jean Grey who is Cyclops's romance gets incapacitating migraines. Rogue cannot really control her episodes of draining the energy of others like somebody with epilepsy, diabetes asthma may look 'non disabled' bc of their hidden disabilities until they have their breakthrough episode. So she accommodates by not touching others. Wolverine has PTSD, and Storm is claustrophobic. There is a pecking order inside the disability community itself. Physical and visible disabilities being the most 'legitimate' and invisible/episodic disabilities next. And mental illness is last re recognition and support.

X-men started in 1962 when local public schools were allowed to bar children with disabilities from enrollment. Residential schools (originally called asylums) were established so people with disabilities could be with "their own kind--vs their very own families and local communities. Like those schools, the Xavier Institue's ability to successfully enroll somebody depends on available space. Available enrollment space is not something a person attending the local public school has to consider. None of the x-men's parents come to visit them at the Xavier institute and Gambits are gone. Special education did not exist in America until 1975, after the concept was created.

It is interesting though that a person with disabilities themselves runs this facility vs having 'another' person (without disabilities) do it. The cartoon reflects that it aired just after the ADA was passed. The x men do not need permission from professor x....etc to go off campus. And even though he is a mutant, Gambit has no problem openly flirting with women who are not. The X-men etc expect access to public officials just like people who are not mutants. They expect to be listened to.

One of my other favorite cartoons, the adaptation of teen wolf aired pre-ADA (1986) . So the Mayor in that cartoon actually spends several episodes trying to hunt down people who are werewolves--even though the Howards also pay for his office etc. They might not like what is happening but that family do not go to talk with him about it and do not insist others recognize them as part of the town The difference between these two cartoons is amazing. It reflects what changed re disability.

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I remember reading as a kid in the 90s that the X-Men comics were created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby as an allegory for discrimination and the civil rights movement, with Professor X supposedly representing Martin Luther King Jr., and Magneto representing Malcolm X.

Stan Lee has mentioned that the X-Men were a metaphor for the fight against bigotry, but I'm not entirely sure how accurate those interpretations about MLK and Malcolm X are. Regardless, I can understand why one might think so. I also believe your view that it parallels the gay rights movement is valid as well.

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I think prejudice against mutants, non mutant super heroes, and non mutant super villains makes sense. After all super powers can be dangerous. Plus a human parent finding out their son and daughter aren't even human could be devastating. Plus if a super hero and super villain fight each other and it results in peoples' houses and cars getting damaged, it's understandable people would be upset about it.

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But then you have people like (and I know this is another series/character) Jonathan and Martha Kent. They had wanted a child so badly when one came crashing down in a spaceship they didn't question it. They loved him unconditionally for who he was even when his powers became apparent.

And then in most incarnations Clark grows up the only one exactly like himself. The kents are open minded but they cannot fully connect with his first person experiences. I had tons of questions about my own disabilities growing up. I lived in a City but since this was pre-internet I did not know anybody else like me.

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Yes but how Martha and Jonathan Kent are isn't gonna be how everyone else is. I don't condone abandoing a son and daughter but it happens all the time in real life. There's been parents who abandoned their son or daughter for being gay. There's been parents who abandoned their son/daughter for becoming a Christian. This isn't right but that's why we have these stories like Rogue's where their parents disowns them. If you hate that premise I guess just stick with Superman movies and comics.

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I don't hate it. I realize most parents cannot and do not deal with difference.

My own parents struggled to understand the ADA and reconcile that with what they had grown up with re people with disabilities not being successful, being locked away. My dad was furious my college and employers did not seek his input re what I should get.

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I'm sorry you suffered that. My parents were more accepting of my ADD.

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Thanks.

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isn't everything these days?

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