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Don't get me wrong joi2049 the GOP have never been paragons of virtue but at least they gave lip service to certain virtues and admitted FACTS. Now with this guy we are in true BIZARRO world where up is down and LIES win the day. After Trump, and there will be an after Trump, the GOP and the country will have a huge mess to straighten out.
Eventually, the horrors of the Trump administration will be made bare for all to see regardless of Nov. 2020. It is one thing for Trump to convince the Russian 'bots' at work on the net but he has also corrupted the ENTIRE Republican government establishment to the point where facts matter no more! They no longer speak about 'Small govt, low taxation, family values. Instead they are now pushing Russian propaganda and EVERYTHING anti Trump is untrue; their mantra is now "Fake News".
I am reminded of the book 'Animal Farm' where the Pigs, with the help of some traitor animals changed the animals' revolution into a nightmare. The poor animals woke up each day to see that their "commandments" were changed somehow but could not understand exactly how. Until they saw that the one that read " All animals are equal" Now read: "All animals are equal...but some animals are MORE equal than others"
That is where the modern Republican party has now reached because of Trump! This is NOT something they will be able to easily reverse post Trump. This will NOT be good for the entire country,when a third of its population has been bred to live on propaganda! Trump's poison is NOT any of his policies, he hardly has any beyond 'enrich himself through deals'. No his most lasting damaging effect will be his steady attempt to erode THE TRUTH, legality, justice from the American landscape. 13,000 plus lies and counting!
1961 is at the tail end of the boomers. I am almost 60 and have the advantage of having seen it all! I can program all my phones and computers and am conversant with everything from My space to Twitter. I also had the benefit of an EDUCATION so I know when someone is out of a solid, reasoned argument and merely has to rely on 'Ad Hominem' attacks to create logical fallacies. I started watching TOS from it's start and have seen every series since. Nevertheless, it is indisputable that most of the negative reaction to DSC is based on the simple fact that a lot of the fans close to my age are unable or unwilling to adjust their thinking to accept the new reality and imagine the 'new' future which DSC is trying to present. I am NOT making a blanket assertion about everyone at ANY age.
I suggest you open your mind....it's called FICTION!!
Yes, that's the definition. WILLING to CONSIDER why the ship sprouted wings...that's the whole idea. There is no prescribed range or box within which fiction HAS to operate. You are welcomed to dislike whatever change you see, but acting like ANY change you dislike or any
difference itself is sacrosanct is frankly....silly!
That is because you are unwilling to suspend disbelief" or accept any reasonable explanation...in that particular regard, that's why. Everything else improbable or unlikely in ST like the greater than light speed travel and the predominance of humanoid aliens you accept happily.
"Ok, first I used STD because that is the easiest acronym." That is a lie. If you want to pretend you don't know that (std) is the pejorative detractors of the show have deliberately chosen you are either a liar or uniformed.
After that start there seemed no point to continue to reply so I'll just say these two things. It's not you physical 'age' that is the problem perhaps is your mental age.Your MAIN complaint is that "this" doesn't SEEM right to you, or perhaps "that" is okay because, according to YOU it hasn't changed much. Perhaps your views are a little too tightly tied to YOUR little petty wishes and desires? Think about it.
The second problem is that you are STILL missing the concept of technology presentation. In TOS their was communication, right? It was NEVER presented as the holographic images we now see in DSC. Ok. That does NOT mean the images depicted on those tiny screens could not now be extrapolated as holographic images. Same technology, DIFFERENT presentation. If you are willing to "suspend disbelief" slightly it is not that hard to do. Indeed if you are a fan of the series you should be happy to make that leap BECAUSE 1) although in 1960 holograms were a reality, the technology was NOT common place as it is today when any kid's toy might present a reasonable holographic approximation. 2)Because time has caught up with ST and in order for the show to REALLY LOOK futuristic, having the actors stare into small 1970 computer like screens in 2019 to demonstrate 23 century technology is SILLY.
According to your logic and wishes DSC should look pretty much like TOS except with a few "Customer approved changes" You guys use the club of "canon" to stifle creativity. No the very first function of a show like ST is to imagine the FUTURE, the real future of the CURRENT time NOT, the future of a long past time! So even if the viewers of that era don't want to let go of that era, DSC,yes Star Trek Discovery, has to.
Good luck, my friend
Wrong! try boomer 1961
...contd something you and thousand of other 'fans' NEVER did. If you had, you wouldn't be complaining.
"Discovery suffers because it is not paying attention to the world established by the other series. "
"Technology seems far too advanced given Enterprise and TOS."
I have already suggested that you are confusing 'tech' with 'the way tech looks'. We are , after all discussing a fictional universe in which A LOT is taken for granted. You also deride the Spoor Drive when in truth without a mode of transportation with the efficacy of the Spoor drive humans will NEVER be able to travel across space LIKE IS DEPICTED IN ST. Warp 1 is the how a vessel travels at the speed for A YEAR. Problem is, humans can not travel up to or past the speed of light. It is physically IMPOSSIBLE. So the Enterprise can not physically skip across the galaxy, perhaps just across our own solar system. But we 'suspend disbelief' and we allow for something with theoretical foundations (like the Spoor drive) to help us imagine. Check out Dr Paul Stammets the real life scientist on who's studies the Spoor drive is based.
So you like Saru and Airiam but lament not enough of them were shown in the first 2 seasons? Well, perhaps had you guys not bitched and moaned so much about some fictitious "canon" violation, DSC would have stayed pre TOS and we could have learned some more about them. It is okay to have you favorites, everybody does. But to demand that the producers remain trapped in the prison of 'what TOS looked like' so that they do not violate YOUR sense of the past is ridiculous.
Embrace the future. When you see something that is strange and new THAT is the future. Criticize it sure but not with a knee jerk reflexive reaction without any REAL foundation. Anyway, you should be happy now. You have your Short Treks which frequently revisit the past YOU LIKE
ST is ALWAYS going to grow and look different. Just like the original "looked" different from everything else!
"My, how arrogant and condescending of you. Its just our poor, feeble old minds that cause us to rail against STD. And we pull some idiotic concept such as Canon to buttress our claims."
Well, to begin with you address the show as STD instead of DSC or DISCO. You don't say STTOS or STTNG or STENT. Do you see what I mean? You start predisposed to disliking the show.
"Are there fanboys who are having knee-jerk reactions to STD? Yes, there are. But don't dare to claim that many who have issues with it are feeble, ancient and stupid."
Those are YOUR words, not mine but I will say the following:
Let's start with the concept of "willing suspension of disbelief" the foundation of ALL fiction. I think what YOU regard as canon mistakes/violations in DSC are merely visual re-interpretations. I can assure you the producers of DSC took great care to adhere to 'canon'. Everything is according to the technology of TOS: the phasers, communicators and transporters etc. What you and many others appear to object to is the REPRESENTATION of the TOS tech in 2019 and your objection is short sighted. You are essentially saying because TOS communication 'looked' a certain way DSC communication has to 'look' the same. That is like suggesting that the ships should look exactly the same the universe should look exactly the same too. THAT is how you are stuck in the past and this is where a certain amount of 'willing suspension of disbelief' comes in, not a lot just a little. Because, if you were born after the year 2000, you will readily understand how a show about the future can not reasonably depict people in a star ship 400 years ahead WON'T have holographic looking forms of communication, WHEN WE HAVE IT NOW!!!!!!
The Klingons you mentioned have a different 'look' for almost EVERY series or film. I haven't seen any complaints about that! So you don't like THIS particular re-interpretation of Klingon, you are welcome to that opinion but please WAIT for the explanation from...contd
What irks me most about the Ambassador's fate is this: If the president could replace her at any time for any reason? why didn't he just call her home. Why make up all the negative stuff about her? No, instead they had to trash her good service and good name. That is disgraceful and if you are a Republican who supports that, you are trash too.
As long as what he released is INCOMPLETE (and the document itself says it is) we can assume what was left out is what we REALLY need to know. We won't believe a 13 thousand time LIAR!!! Again, it if were such a PERFECT and BEAUTIFUL call why not release EVERYTHING?
I'll tell you why not: because what is left out is damning! and btw Ad Hominem attacks prove you have LOST the argument because you don't have any more facts to rely on.
krl97a, Ask Trump to show us what is in the vault; or allow his minions to testify; or testify himself (lol). His conversation with Zelensky was so sooooo 'beautiful and perfect', it should be any trouble at all...right?. Btw, does he know what the word "perfect'' means?...do you?
Ah yes, the only way you can truly express yourself, words fail, pictures fail, you cry. Like your lying, crooked, hero!
When words fail you, I guess you draw!
"How do you attribute one set of standards for democrats and a completely different set of standards for people you don't like? "
I can do so because the examples you quote are NOT even similar. If Obama believed that, if implemented as designed the ACA would have lived up to ALL his promises. When Republican Governor fail to extend medicare and lawmakers do everything they can to make the ACA fail, you can not blame Obama for his words not becoming true. In Hillary's case she did submit to all the questions the GOP could muster and they found she did NOTHING wrong.
You can not compare these two to the MegaLiar-in-Chief. who has told so many lies its not even funny. Two of the most outrageous and unnecessary are his drawing that black marker line over the FEMA map and his saying he did not know anything about payments to Stormy Daniels. These lies are not only STUPID but unnecessary because he should have known they could be easily disproved. I would expect my 5 year old to tell such imbecilic LIES You want to compare a person who lies on such a level with Hillary and Barack? You want to believe THIS person? Go ahead!
Tell Trump to make public what is in the secret vault, let's stop all this nonsense. You expect me to believe a man who tell 14k verifiable lies? or his minions? A man who is afraid to give sworn testimony himself? or even allow those who work for him to give testimony or provide official documents? No, that's for guys like you who drink the coolade!
Obama NEVER told BLATANT lies like Trump does.
The Republican held NUMEROUS investigations on "Fast and Furious"
They questioned Hillary for TEN HOURS at a stretch over Benghazi, didn't lay a finger on her.
Trump only wrote written answers to SOME of Mueller's questions and even then...he lied!
In any case Trump is President now (not Obama, not Hillary) and "whatabouticism" does not get you out of a speeding ticket, let alone impeachment!
"Do you really think they're 'unsure' about the truth of T-rump's claims? "
I am being charitable, thinking that they have not ALL sold their souls.
Swallowed over 14 thousand lies and NOW they care about the truth?
"Sources say despite the fact that Barr wouldn't follow T-rump's request, the two still remain on 'good terms'."
Trump is crooked, not crazy. A big fight with Barr might just be one more fight he doesn't have time for...right now. But stay tuned, this man is insanely vindictive.
My suggestion to the Republicans faithful who are STILL unsure about the truth of Trump's claims, this news tidbit is William Barr taking sides. By declining to 'stand by his man' this time, Barr is really saying, 'no Mr President, I think you are lying!'