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<b> " I like spending time with the crew and small intimate character interactions and I do not feel Discovery has enough of these more intimate moments that is all I mean and noting that you imply.",</b>
When you made this statement I realized you are trying desperately to deny something even YOU suspect is TRUE because that statement completely without foundation. DSC is the most careful and complete ST series when it comes to small interactions between the ship's crew and presenting a complete picture of EVERY crew member. The thing that felt 'familiar' about all the other ST series was this white male dominance (despite all the facts you mentioned). DSC DID break the mold in that respect! There are NO heroic, strong, white, hetero males examples on the DSC bridge. THAT'S WHAT IT IS! THAT'S ALL IT IS!
<b> "The cast of discovery could all be as white as colonel Sanders from KFC, I would still feel the exact same way."</b>
I know you will say this isn't you but tell me, if this statement is true of MOST similarly disgruntled ST "fanboys," why are the foaming at the mouth for a Pike/Spock spin off? Yes, DSC is more action packed but it also has far better visuals. These are both things you would expect from from the most advanced production of ST, watch what we will see in the new PIC series!
The three movies on your list that came out in 2001 are no surprise because of 9/11. For a while nobody paid attention to movies. I like them all and Mulholland Drive is close to my favorite movie of all time!
<b>"I personally feel it was made in order to attract people who are not fans of the franchise to begin with by concentrating on visual effect and action set "</b>
I don't think we are disagreeing much. Discovery's bridge cast is not typical of ST therefore perhaps it does not "please" or "appeal" to the classic (your word) fans. DSC's crew exhibit human flaws which was NOT the case with any other ST series. Let's cut the bull right? White male heterosexuals are NOT the DSC leads and THAT is freaking out the white, male heterosexual fan base, right? While merely saying a character is not 'likable' is protected speech , it is hardly a useful basis for judging the QUALITY of a show. If your definition of what 'feels' like ST, is ALWAYS white male leads, then I think you are missing Roddenberry. He broke the mold by including an international bridge cast (at a time when it was arguably controversial thing to do, in the middle of the space race). Today, Roddenberry would have encouraged and endorsed a bridge crew reflecting the diversity of humanity. Besides, what is so wrong with reaching out to other segments of it's viewers? Not all fans of ST are white male and hetero!
The Orville is more fitting, I agree. So is the misogyny and humiliation of the 'other' in the Orville. Ever wonder why all the none white alien males in TO are the butt of almost ALL the jokes and exhibit the most debasing human qualities and physical characteristics, while the alien females look almost human; are white and have the more positive alien powers? Of course, your classic fanboy is going to love it!
Look, I don't like TO much because I can see right thru it and I don't like what I see. Yes, TO does remind me of the day when ST itself was sexist but I would like to think that we have moved on from that time. Perhaps it is time for ST to take it's place once again in the vanguard of Sci-fi . DSC is ALL that and much, much more!
What do you expect the Starz COO to say now? When Straz gets as big as Netflix and HBO NOW what do you think he will say then? After the national market is completely saturated all these companies will have to look abroad.
It is undeniable that TV and Cable have changed the type and scope of movies and TV shows made. If nothing else they have increased the type and scope of viewers available to the content makers. There is no doubt the Streaming Platforms will do the same but in much more radical AND subtle ways. What I am asking is <b>in what ways will we see these changes manifest themselves?</b> Anyone doubting this should check out the current content on some of these international streaming platforms. The world is shrinking fast.
To be fair, it's more the other way around<b> currently</b> (Kim Khadashian/Cardi B)...but yes, eventually... more Bollywood. Sooner than that though less obvious changes.
So you can continue yours?
That is tautology. "Kirk is likable because I like him" " Burnham is not...because I don't"....great!
We know more about the DCS crew in two seasons, than we EVER did the TOS bridge in what 5 seasons of many more episodes and countless movies. Or ANY other ST bridge for that matter.
The 'Island' is not so much a physical location but more a metaphor for the seclusion or mesmerizing attraction two people feel when they fall deeply in love. So ideally, they could be in your Walmart parking lot but feel like they are on an island with sunsets, waves and flowers, because they are in love. The luxury, vacation like setting DOES take away from the everyday which perhaps increases the likelihood strangers will fall for each other.
I don't know why the show doesn't "feel" like ST to you or why you hate Rapp's character the most but I can say this. Yes, the crew is different from EVERY OTHER ST crew in this IMPORTANT way. Unlike all the other ST crew, we meet DSC's crew BEFORE they are all fully matured. They are ALL imperfect and in the first two season's we see them grow into the well oiled , functioning machine we saw IMMEDIATELY in TOS, TNG, ENT and to some extent in VOY and DS9. Burnham is brash and impatient, Saru cowardly and uncomfortable in ST; Tilly is silly and annoyingly new, if ambitious; Stammets is sarcastic and a bit stuck up. A second way in which DSC's crew differs from all the other ST crews is that we know A LOT about the background of EACH of them. Much more than we knew of the TOS, TNG or ENT bridge crew. Once again, the VOY and DS9 crew were somewhat explained to us or we had ideas about them from other shows..
I have watched ST since I was 7 or 8 years old too and I find DSC the most beautifully shot, well scripted, acted and the most imaginative and realistic re-interpretation of Roddenberry's dream. Apparently, the actors they chose are not to your liking, if you could suspend that aspect of your disbelief, it should make it easier for you to notice the other parts of DSC that do not depend entirely on your notion of charisma, charm or beauty'.
That's because Burnham is the 'heroine or 'star' of the show. Ever got tired of Kirk?
I have always, wonder do why people who don't like a show hang out in it's comment section? Apart from spreading YT lies and generally running down the show, what is the point? The Orville is available and many people like it. It would be different if the dislike was explained or reasoned so anyone who feels differently could respond. However just to gripe for the sake of gripe is...
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