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Considering that I'm attracted to women of all shapes, thin, chubby, even dare I say fat, I don't care. Gal is an attractive woman.
Those films failed at the box office for two reasons: A) They had bad marketing. B) They were pitted against two biggest movies of their respective years, Passion of the Christ and The Dark Knight.
"You dredged this up right after Captain Marvel beat Wonder Woman in gross?"
My comment was written three months ago, idiot. So obviously I couldn't predict that a movie as mediocre and terrible as CM could make so much money. I'm only talking to you in the context that was present at the time.
"For someone from the future, your timing SUCKS!"
Being from the future does not mean that I can predict time, angry fella. But fine, CM is right now the third highest-grossing first-entry solo movie. Happy? Well, I'm not. That movie was donkey poop. But then again, when you have an entire month of clean slate, where nothing remotely big or interesting is playing in theaters, it's not that hard to gross a shit ton of money when you are an MCU flick. You also have to count the fact that CM is directly linked to two of the biggest capeshit movies ever. WW had to face competition in movies like Homecoming and Dunkirk and it was a follow-up to the everhated BvS. It did not have that privilege.
I'm from the future. Apparently, reading comprehension & logic isn't your strongest skill either. 1. I said "second and third". I didn't say "first and second". So I obviously acknowledged that Black Panther was the highest-grossing first-entry superhero film in superhero movie history. 2. Avengers movies are not solo movies. And the last Avengers movies are not first-entries, duh!
Correction: Wonder Woman's TV series was popular maybe for the first decade after it first premiered. After that, it was pretty much obscured. I never saw its reruns on television, ever. I found out about its existence only when it was mentioned on some old TV documentary about superheroes. And she had two (technically, it was only one, since JL and JLU are the same series) beloved series as a SUPPORTING CHARACTER. With that logic, Carol Danvers should be considered a household name too, since she appeared in two episodes of the very beloved X-Men series in the 90s.
It doesn't matter how much time was spent on it. The message was clear. And quite stupid. No dad would ran to its kid after he almost killed himself to scold him for how he shouldn't have done what he has done. Any rational parent would take his kid to a hospital if his kid would be covered in bruises and blood.
"Honest Question: Do you think competition is really a factor, in these situations?"
Obviously, yes, it is.
"Is it ever really an "either-or," for the average moviegoer?"
For the average moviegoer, it is the case. The average moviegoer doesn't go to movies regularly. So the average moviegoer will obviously go and see only a selective number of films.
"If you intend to see Wonder Woman, are you NOT gonna go, because Dunkirk, Homecoming, or anything else is out? Or are you going to (eventually) see it anyway?"
Most moviegoers go to movies only a few times during a year. You have to adjust the fact that not all of them have time to go and watch all the movies that are in theaters right now, not all of them have money to spend on movie tickets and everything that goes with with it, and not all of them simply have enough interest to watch multiple movies at once in theaters.
"I dunno. I never skip movies because they have "competition."
The key word here is "I". You're one person. You can't apply your view on that to everyone else.
"I just choose *when* I'm going to see them, relative to which one I'm more interested in.
Anybody else?"
There are hundreds of examples when one movie would make less money because there was another movie playing to its back. Hellboy 2 is the best example. It came out almost at the exact same time as The Dark Knight. And guess what? Hellboy 2 bombed. It dropped 70% on its second weekend, right after The Dark Knight started playing. The Dark Knight obviously drew more attention because it was bigger, starred more popular characters, and was received vastly better. Had Hellboy 2 come out in a month where it was the only blockbuster in theaters, it would definitely make more money than it did.
1. That phrase suits you very well.
2. I didn't insult you. Stop being drama queen.
3. Yeah, I forgot. I probably had a Mandela Effect at the moment. Okay, I take it back. Aquaman, a solo film featuring one of the least liked superheroes in existence, that was a follow-up to the critically panned Justice League, made on 7 million less than Civil War, an ensemble movie that was a follow-up to the best MCU movie, The Winter Soldier. Goddamn Aquaman.
4. And in the end, Civil War made only on 7 million more than Aquaman.
5. I see nothing shameful in that, considering that the first Iron Man was one of the best reviewed superhero films in existence, while the second movie was a follow-up to that movie. Aquaman had neither of those advantages.
6. No, I didn't want to put that.
7. I didn't put Iron Man 3 because it made more money, you're right. But Iron Man 3 was a follow-up to the biggest superhero movie at the time, in which Iron Man was also the main star (yes, he was; Downey's name was ahead of everyone else's on all the posters and in movie's credit scene). Which is something Aquaman did not have. Also, Aquaman made 1,147 billion. Iron Man 3 made 1,215 billion. Wouldn't say Iron Man 3 killed Aquaman.
8. Iron Man 3 is definitely at the very bottom of the MCU for me.
9. Very cool. Captain Marvel still stinks, though.
Aquaman made a billion. It beat every Captain America movie and first two Iron Man movies. I assume you did not like that movie, right?
Better at being worse, if only. Wonder Woman was a strong character, not just strong, period. Captain Marvel was a character whose sole purpose is defined by how powerful she is. Not to mention, the terrible pacing of the movie. Leave out-of-order flashbacks to Nolan, MCU. You can't do that right, it appears.
"What a shame, a member of the DC Trinity beaten by an unknown third tier character,"
Let's bring some facts, shall we? While Wonder Woman is considered an icon, she's hardly as bankable as you make out her to be. First, her comic sales were always average. In fact, after doing some research, I found out that Iron Man was outselling her during the 70s, 80s, and 90s. A character who did not have any kind of cultural status, or even a TV appearance at that point, unlike her. Second, don't you find it weird that someone as iconic as Wonder Woman never had her own animated series? Even Iron Man got one in the 90s, but not her. Why is that? Next, this whole "third tier" character excuse has no meaning anymore. What brings people to see these movies is the brand, not the name. Marvel Studios is a brand, and any movie that has their logo on its poster is guaranteed to make money. It's irrelevant whether the character is popular or not. The same way Apple makes money by default whenever they release their new product.
"who hasn't appeared in a previous movie like WW did. Pffffff..."
First, she did appear. She was blatantly advertised at the end of Infinity War and then marketing tied her character to the MCU as a whole and said that she's going to be integral to the Endgame. Second, Wonder Woman first appeared in a critically panned movie that almost nobody liked. Captain Marvel was teased at the end of the highest-grossing superhero film in existence, which holds 8.4 on IMDB rating right now. Smell the difference?
Wonder Woman came out in the summer, where it had to compete with movies like Dunkirk and Homecoming. Captain Marvel came out in march, where there were no other big movies playing, and it had no competition for almost a month. Wonder Woman was a follow-up to critically panned Batman v Superman. Captain Marvel was a follow-up + setup for two of the biggest superhero movies in existence. Yeah, I wonder why...
You can't count, can you?
"The movie isn't like that at all. About the only feminist thing here is that it features a strong female lead character."
Except for those obnoxious flashbacks where Carol gets scolded by men because she's a woman. Or the shallow theme of the movie that basically says: Men hold women down.
"If the Dr Strange wifi joke had been in a Batman movie, you'd eat it up."
No, considering that it's a terrible joke, and, at the time of watching Batman Begins, I would not even know what a WiFi is, considering that people were still using Ethernet cables for connection.
"emotional subtlety is no longer allowed; "MAL NOOOOOOOO! JEEZUS!!""
You want a guy, who sees his wife committing suicide, to show subtlety in his emotions at that moment? Like, do you even know how humans function, my man?
Yeah, Batman was so beloved at that time, Batman Begins, a movie that explores the backstory of Batman that was never addressed on film, barely made any profit because of peoples' disinterest in the character after Schumacher's era ended.
"Chris Nolan is a remarkable filmmaker" - Zack Snyder
Your idol, Andre, loves Nolan.
Iron Man had consistently better comic book sales than Wonder Woman throughout the 80s and 90s. Considering that Wonder Woman was a cultural icon and she had appeared in famous TV shows and cartoons, that's a pretty big feat for a character who never had any of those at the time.
Andre, get a life already. Didn't you say years ago that you don't hang out on message boards? So what are you doing here, then? And stop with this "non comic accurate shit". The first scene of the movie is recreating the panels from The Dark Knight Returns with young Bruce. The scene in prison is taken directly from The Fugitive story arc, where Bruce is locked up in prison and has to fight inmates that bully him. And Burton's movies, which you love, never delved into the bat-family for the same reasons; Burton thought sidekicks are lame.