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It's a hard pill, but I find I have to agree. Paramount did the same with Star Trek. This is basically best viewed as a soft reboot of the series, whether us old guard like it or not. This would also explain why Johnson has gone down this path of killing off the old characters and having Ren's main agenda be about sweeping away the old ("let it die") to make way for a new order. As you said, we're not the ones who'll go out and buy load of merchandise, or persuade our parents to do so.
Yes, the Force projection was a good twist, and I love how he was looking at a binary sunset (complete with the amazing William's score from ANH). I liked the kid telling the story at the end. Reminded me of when 3PO was telling the story to the Ewoks.
This. My 45 year old self cannot possibly see even the OT the same way as I saw it when I was a child. As you say, we've grown up and the child is gone, replaced by responsibilities, jobs, mortgages, etc...
I agree that it isn't outlandish, but either way it does need some exposition, is all I'm saying.
It's not a gender issue at all, but some people seem to want to make everything a gender issue, thus perpetuating the problem rather than solving it.
I always thought that Leia would end up being the Supreme Chancellor of the New Republic. They could explain it that way.
You meant a dimebag of coke, right?
* sits back with popcorn waiting for the tidal wave of accusations of misogyny and sexism ... *
Because Star Wars isn't set in our world. TFA clearly built a bit of mystery around the parentage of Rey, with most people coming to the conclusion that she must be a Skywalker or a Kenobi, or possibly a descendant of a member of the Jedi Council, or even a Palpatine. To do that, then in the next movie fail to develop that any further but instead suggest that she's nobody in particular is both lazy and unsatisfying writing. I expected more, and I suspect so did most fans. It's possible that it will be answered properly in Episode IX, but that doesn't excuse having no real progress made on the question in this film. Yes, there's the mirror in the dark-side blowhole sequence, but it reveals nothing, not even a hint.
In TFA, Ren was severely injured by Chewie's bowcaster bolt, as seen by the blood spots on the snow and him repeatedly thumping his side (presumably to cause pain that he could then draw on the energy of). He couldn't fight at his normal capacity.
Also, he's using a home-made saber that he hasn't constructed properly, hence the "dirty" look and sound of the blade's energy. This probably has consequences in terms of how easy it is to wield, given that the blade is basically a stream of focused plasma in a containment field, so it has mass, is subject to air resistance, probably has a bit of recoil when it hits something due to the uneven energy, etc... Rey, by contrast, is using probably the most finely crafted lightsaber ever created. Why do you think Ren wants it? His makeshift saber is like a baseball bat against a katana.
I just hope they don't pull some bullshit reveal of the backstory in a game or novel or comic or something. This question must be answered in a movie.
Agree. I got the impression that Ren said it purely to persuade Rey to join him. As Volley said, there's no way Ren can know Rey's parentage.
I'll second that also. GL can write a great story, but sucks at dialogue and direction. As footlegger said, the stories of the prequels are fine. Harrison Ford apparently complained about how GL doesn't really direct while on the set of ANH, and infamously said to GL's face (while waving the script under his nose): "George, you can write this shit, but you can't say it!".
I think ANH worked anyway simply because it was such a fantastic story, the casting was perfect, and nobody had seen anything like it at the time. Basically, it worked in spite of GL's poor direction skills. ESB and RotJ worked because he got someone else to direct them. The prequels would have been better if he'd gotten someone else to direct (which was apparently his original plan, then he changed his mind).
The problem with Snoke is that they spent significant amounts of time in both this movie and TFA building the Snoke character, and the mystery around his origins and who exactly he is, only to destroy him Darth Maul style, leaving the questions unresolved.
I've edited my previous comment on this thread because, on reflection, I have no problem with Johnson's directing or cinematography - in fact, as Lucas himself said, it is a beautifully made film. If you judge it purely on it's visual artistry, it'd be the best SW film ever made. It is visually amazing. For me, all of the problems in it stem from the writing. The film should have been written by Abrams.
I hope not. He butchered the writing on this. I’d sooner he never wrote any kind of film ever again.
I agree. The onus is on viewers to avoid boards like this until they’ve seen the film. I certainly avoided this board until I’d seen this film.
But I also think that, as a matter of board etiquette, one should add the word “spoilers” to the post topic and not have spoilers in the topic itself.
T-time to o-open a can of whoop ass!
Because it’s a suicide mission for starters. But mainly it would seem that Holdo had a talent for improvisation and thinking outside the box.
Yes, Holdo did say that 😊
The reason Luke required little lightsaber training (and we don’t know how much he trained with the remote on his own time, btw) is because he’s a Skywalker. Both OT and PT clearly established that Skywalkers have an extremely high instinctive grasp of the Force. For example, Anakin could use it as a child to safely pilot a pod racer, an otherwise impossible feat without many years of experience and training.
That brings me to Rey. If she’s a Skywalker (which was clearly hinted at in TFA) then we have a simple, consistent and satisfying explanation for her abilities in spite of her having little training.