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Could have fooled me - you wrote: "reflecs you but is the opposite " - so that fits pretty well. Looks like her but will be the opposite, flesh and bone instead of machine... good thinking π
I know that there are a lot of horrible humans out there - but it would be interesting to see her becoming a real human and being overwelmed with feelings like empathy and guilt, regret, love etc...
Or she succeeds and then gets killed and utters words of fear of death right before passing...
Sorry, had missed the post - now we know. That was a really good guess though ππ»
It probably wouldn't 'have to', but maybe, as with many other things, their minds would not except the Frameworks reality if it would be different.
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I have seen the Simon Sinek Videos before - couldn't agree more. I am a bit older than that but caught myself doing a few of the things he'd mentioned (when someone at a Restaurant uses the bathroom, while waiting, checking messages instead of looking around, talking to strangers etc) and I remembered the times when we didn't have cell phones - I try to balance it a little better now. But yes, the poor souls who never had it any different; I really do not envy anyone growing up in this time.
Our daughter is too small for all this right now, but it will be challenging trying to balance this when she is older. Can't forbid it if all her friends have it, but don't want her getting sucked into it either.
In Theorie we have a pretty good idea how to handle it, but everyone with kids knows that the best planning still often doesn't work out π
Yes! I like the new Storyline - it can semi-safly explore the "What-if's" without completely destroying our favorite characters (because they are still there in 'the real world').
Loved how it was explained how even one sentence could change someones life; and then they showed Fitz and his Dad... *thumbs up* from me βΊοΈ
No, May didn't die.
Again, I didn't feel that the movie wanted me to accept anything.
I don't think that, for the most extreme example, Jessica, will be blamed for much after they hear what happend to her (as they show with Clay, first he goes off on her, then he wants to help her). Even if she wasn't raped, an adult hearing those tapes will react differently. We know that friendships break up, that bad things in school are forgotten years later and that we make our own life.
I also didn't feel that what Clay did was right, specially when he didn't have the full picture yet. But I thought that this was done on porpoise- that he went trough the tapes so slowly - so we could see the reactions to half baked informations and the consequences that can bring with it.
The parents, as adults in general, we are so busy with "grown up things", we often forget how it was to be a teenager. Same with her parents.
The school however could have reacted differently. PR seems more important than justice. A real psychologist would be better equipped than the councilor (who should, at the very least, have contacted the parents). Hoewever, even there are more realities. Schools are mostly underfunded, need good PR and sport teams to get funding, have a lot "grown up" things to think about that many kids or kid problems fall through the cracks.
I felt that the movie (writers) just told a story, not trying to make me think something, or justify actions of the characters or try to sway me one way to another.
If anything it showed the opposite- that there are many layers to any given situation, that things are often deeper and more complicated (or just very simple and we hype them up in an emotional state) as they seem and that everyone reacts based on their own way of viewing and experiencing them with whatever information absorbt at that time.
Porter however did react very unprofessional. Yes, she was hiding her feelings from her parents, but to him she actually confided that she was raped. Legally he was correct with his answer, but you can't just leave it there. And he knew that he made a mistake - because he lied when he was asked if she came to see him - he said only ones when they talked about college.
And Bryce is obviously guilty.
I mostly agree. But then I find some of the comments on the board extremely disheartening- without any empathy at all. It's all spelled out and yet, even after watching, there are some people who just don't understand π
I think it depends on how you view the show.
I don't think that the point was to make Hannah look like a great person who fell victim to several bad things and then committed suicide.
I actually thought that it was very good because it showed how imperfect everyone is. We are.
We only see and feel our own reality.
She didn't know (or, in her own pain care) about everyone elses struggle.
I thought the point (or one of them), was to show how all of them/us do this; see situation just from our point of view and react to it unwittingly with the little information we have.
I took it more as a way to tell the story of how everything came to the point to 'the worse day of her life' (her words).
Without her 'complaining' about the smaller things, we would have no backstories.
I think it was more about losing her friends, feeling alone. So we had to see the J&A hookup, list, revenge/misunderstanding.
And the whole point, I thought, was to show how selfcentered the most of us take any given situation in our lifes.
We only see our reality and this makes for many misunderstandings.
For example- traffic, someone cuts you off, you might curse, call the person an idiot... how often do we think "oh, maybe that persons parent died today and they got distracted, didn't see me and accidentally cut me off - poor person x". No, we just see it our way and how we feel. So they had to do the same with the Hannah character.
Very well said.
I also liked that you could see the different viewpoints. Her tapes offered hers, but she wasn't always correct, like her thinking that Clay was so confident when in his reality he was scared 'shitless' (his words), and Taylor stalking her because he liked her, Zachs motives etc...
You also get to see that her 'bullies' had their own problems and abuse or at leasts their reasons (no excuse) where not what she thought.
And then the people she herself, and many others, treated badly or completely ignored.
I am not sure on the statistics- nor if you mean rape or assault in general.
But of course, any type of violence is bad, so is stereotyping. Nobody should just have to "take it".
Oh, I agree with you 100% -
I also believe that things are way more complicated than people like Kewl Kat believe.
It was said before that Hannah should have reported it. It's so easy to say that...
I just don't think that Kewl Kat is trolling - I can see where that thought process is coming from, don't agree with it, and think that it's more complicated than how he/she? wishes it to be.
I agree with you on that the focus should not be on the women- but until this world treats them fairly, it might be a tale of caution. My daughter is too small for those kind of talks now, but I will have them with her - it's not fair, but I would want her to be safe.
I think what Kewl Kat is maybe trying to say is:
There is no justification in rape, it's horrible and no, it's not the victims fault.
However, to protect oneself, one should have a clear head and be aware of the dangers and not walk into potential risky situations.
It's not fair, we should be able to be more carefree, but unfortunately the reality shows that it is often necessary.
Pretty much what I was going to write :)
A friend introduced me to the Sandman graphic novels about 16years ago - loved them. From there on I've read everything that I could find of his.
Who knows, with time it might pick up.
Agreeing to all of it.
I am trying to do the same. Hopefully this Forum is going to get more people on it - I don't think that we'll get IMDB back.
I am a Neil Gaiman fan as well - especially after the Fiddlers Green convention- and seeing in person what nice guy he seems to be.
Hope the series will do the book justice.
Very much looking forward to this :)