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Thoughts from the perspective of a "progressive liberal SJW".


I'm not a hardcore Star Trek fan. I'm only a Star Trek: The Next Generation fan. I haven't watched the other Star Trek series so keep that in mind.

I'm also not the show's primary target audience. I don't watch network TV shows, my standards for what good TV shows should be are painted by shows like Game of Thrones, Westworld, House of Cards and Black Mirror. So, mileage may vary for people who are fans of network TV shows and who have (in my opinion) lower standards. This may come off as elitist, but recognize that I fully appreciate that different people have different tastes. Furthermore, it is my belief that elitism has benefits if it can push shows to improve. If shows like Game of Thrones, Westworld and House of Cards and Black Mirror can push network TV shows to be better and have better writing, it's a benefit to everyone.

Now, on the subject of writing. Star Trek: Discovery's writing is certainly not the worst I've seen. The writing and dialogue is CERTAINLY not as bad as the writing of Lost (puke). There are some odd dichotomies present, however:

For example, Michael is meant to be pseudo-Vulcan, given her Vulcan upbringing. (I have to reiterate at this point that I'm only very familiar with The Next Generation, which did not feature a Vulcan crew member so my knowledge is limited, the closest anchor point for me is Data.) As a person with a Vulcan upbringing, Michael should display far more Vulcan-like personality characteristics than she exhibits. Now, I understand she is human and therefore does not have the emotional muteness of a Vulcan something which is presented by the dialogue clearly. But, her displaying human emotional volatility and mannerisms all the time renders her Vulcan upbringing close to irrelevant aside from the cheap surface characterizations of knowing Vulcan nerve pinching techniques and being highly educated.

The scene between the former captain and Michael at the elevator after they first meet is a stroke of genius, I will grant this. With just a couple lines it develops their relationship by leaps and bounds. This is something I appreciate. I just hope Michael maintained more of her Vulcan-ness with time.

A lot of times Michael comes off as cold and snarky. Doubtless this is the way the writer's decided to show her Vulcan side. But, from my perspective Vulcans were not meant to be snarky, instead their coldness and propensity to be emotionally distant comes from a genuine lack of understanding or even a overly-logical lack of appreciation for human social customs.

In The Next Generation, the crew members and characters never (or very infrequently) made snarky remarks or remarks showing overt malintent. Humans in general are much kinder to eachother and there is a general sense of agreeableness and very little tension between between characters. I always assumed that this is because in the future people just learned to behave kindly towards one another. The characters in The Next Generation are almost inhumane by our today's standards. This inhumanely agreeable property of humanity is clearly not on display in Discovery. Infact, quite the opposite is on display. You can tell this from the Europa captain's behavior towards Michael. Another example: in episode three, the security officer says "I see we are unloading all kinds of garbage today" referring to the prisoners being transported. This line was very shocking to me. Certainly you wouldn't see this kind of dialogue in The Next Generation.

All that being said, I understand that The Next Generation took place far in the future from Discovery's timeline so maybe humans learned to behave nicely towards one another some time in the intermediate.

Regarding the Klingon's: I really liked the redesign. The Klingon social hierarchy was displayed very effectively with the emphasis on familial houses and dedication to house honor. I also thought the Klingon motivations were very well fleshed out. A warring race deprived of the opportunity to war for many years and tensions bubbling under the surface until they finally find an excuse to war and conquer again.

A lot of people have found analogues between the Klingons and white supremacists, but I think you can equally find similarities to ISIS and al-Qaeda who similarly want to preserve their nefarious traditions and culture. It's sad to me that people will find an excuse to come to the defense of white supremacists and shout liberal propaganda at the Klingons instead of analyzing the deficits in their logic. Maybe if a culture is built on and devoted to war as the Klingon culture is, or maybe if a culture is devoted to marginalizing women and maintaining a biological social order as the Muslims culture is, or maybe if a culture is devoted to looking down at and taking advantage of "lower" races as the Confederate culture is, then maybe those cultures are not worthy of being maintained.

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Star Trek has always been devoted to showing the better side of humanity. It has always been devoted to showing that humanity can get out of their habits of greed, bigotry and war. While "multiculturalism" should not be a shield against scrutiny, because certainly there are things to scrutinize in Star Trek: Discovery. "Multiculturalism" should not be the source of scrutiny.

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Can you explain concisely what the topic is that you want to discuss in this thread?

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I don't see any evidence of genius in this show whatsoever.

It is the warmed over cliche BS with a different prosthetics and effects ... ugh ... this show is awful.

Funny how right in front of our eyes we see a form of racism ... even in the Gene Roddenberry show and vision of the future ... and that is that most of the weirdo aliens are played by non-white minorities.

But not just that, but the whole idea of Star Trek as GR's vision has been dead since the 60's. What we have gotten is sheezy special effects entertainment. TOS was cheezy too, but you expect that in the 60's.

Why are the plot and character content of shows for the most part worse today than they were in the past. It is all just as they say ... a vehicle for selling soap.

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I hate the way that every moment of Star Trek always revolves around Earth past ... contemporary or earlier to today. They are always quoting Shakespeare ... how many kids today know or care about Shakespeare, and how many schools give any attention to him.

But it goes on to rock music, and a picking out of our history.

Of course they have to do this a bit, but nothing about these new shows challenges people in the least or where we are today, whereas the original series really tilted at the present day windmills.

Star Trek is dead, and so is anything progressive on TV really, and that includes news and talk.

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Schools don't make you read Shakespeare anymore?My schools certainly payed attention to Shakespeare when I was young. He was the most read author/playwright. Has it changed?

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First, don't get me wrong, Shakespeare is genius, but American kids are the dumbest in the world. How many of them can relate or are interested in Shakespeare. We have a society that terrorizes and neglects our children while other developed countries care and nurture their kids. To pretend we are doing something good by adding Shakespeare that no one cares about or remembers is stupid.

For me, I never read Shakespeare in school. We had it assigned in some classes, but I got interested in it as an adult. There is a lot of Shakespeare plays or movies that you can watch if you are interested ... I don't see it has much of a part in life any longer, like the Bible.

And I was not even so much saying that Shakespeare is dead today, but that it is not going to be much talked about or quoted in 200-300 years. Maybe it will, but it feels forced in shows like this. They pander to our feelings of superiority about ourselves. That was a big part of Star Trek in a way. it was cute back when.

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I agree that was always a weakness of Star Trek for me, the poor world-building. They flesh out important concepts like warp drive, but can't they also have more posters/personal possessions in people's rooms (not just the captain), and can't we hear about what movies, music, etc. is being created in their own time?

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