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Gordo should have simply dealt with his own life


I just finished this movie. My thoughts may upset a lot of people but this is how I feel. Although I don't agree with bullying anyone or telling absurd lies about someone - I think we have to realize this is something (meaning what Simon did) that happened in high school- probably close to 30 years ago. It seemed to me Gordo was blaming his own failures in life on Simon. Well, I'm sorry, but IMO Gordo needed to grow up a bit. I never cared for people that would blame their failures in life on someone else. Not condoning what Simon did - but hey, what 18 year old kid hasn't done something really crappy in life?? My feeling was the one that really deserved to be PO'd was the coworker that Simon lied about. Now if I was that guy - yeah, Id be out for revenge big time. But if Im Gordo, well, if I saw Simon, I might be tempted to smack him around a bit - but to be bothered enough to go out of my way to ruin his life? Over something that happened in high school? No, I dont think so. I think only a loser in life looking to blame someone for their own mistakes would do that. Anyway, thats my take - love to hear others. SHould also add, for whatever its worth, I did like the movie. Didnt blow me away or anything but it was definitely worth a look.

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Yeah! Gordo needed to grow up!

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i guess you did not know what is like to be psychologically damaged and who knows what gordo would have done if simon really was willing to make bygones bygones and that he was a changed man.gordo only when as far as he did when he knew for sure that simon did not grow up himself.

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Actually, thats not true erin. I was bullied. Not in high school though- way back in 7th grade. The perpetrator - do I remember him, yeah. Can I be bothered with him, no -Im too busy with my own life. However, as I said before, if I was to somehow, someway see him in person, I would be highly tempted to give him a smack or two. ANyway, that aside, the rest of what you wrote didnt make any sense so I cant comment.

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Little Toddy boy, you can't compare being bullied in middle school with being nearly beaten to death by your father because someone spread a false rumor to the school about you being gay.

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First of all - don't patronise people just because you don't agree with them. It makes you stand out as a narrow minded person, with no room for other peoples perspective.

Second of all - what happened between Gordo and his father should stay between him and his father, and not take it out in some random bully.

I were bullied, badly, in and outside of school by the same bully. He was bad to me, hit me, spat on me, put me in small compartments etc. Do hate him today? Not really; To tell you the truth, I feel sorry for him.

Did I meet him again fifteen years later, visiting my hometown one day? Sure! And much to my surprise, he tried to bully me again. I found myself laughing out loud to his face. You know why? Because I grew up and he didn't. Suddenly he meant nothing to me, what he said, meant nothing to me. I had moved on.

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I hope you socked him in the ear!!!

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Yeah, i will break into somebodys house and rape their wife cause i have being psychologically damaged 20 years ago.. like, what the *beep*?

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Gordon should have dealt with that punks ass. A good beating would have put Bateman in check.

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toddjacobucci2002: You have some excellent points. There is an argument for Gordo moving on with his life. They were kids and kids do dumb things. But maybe Gordo was psychologically damaged. His father tried to kill him over a lie that a jerk told because "he could". I personally would not have done what Gordo did especially as it pertains to Simon's wife or the poor fish. But I remember thinking while watching the film that if more bullies thought that they might have to answer for their actions one day would they still bully people? If somebody had told Simon that one day his actions would leave his life a unraveled mess would bullying be something he would engage in? The coworker situation was interestingly used within the context of the story. It showed along with another scene that Simon had NOT changed very much over the years. He was still a bully willing to lie to get what he wanted. Robyn was right about Simon still being a bully and not really knowing who he was. I liked the movie too because it does make you stop and think. I also thought the ending was kind of gutsy too. There are no definitive answers and we the viewers are left in the same position as Simon; Wondering what the truth is and knowing that we may never know. Gordo got Simon where he lived....literally.

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He was; then he accidentally ran in to Simon. A chance for settling the past is just that.

Jebus knows, I've ran into the same from both sides; I was decent enough to give a heartfelt apology though. Also got the same from many of them, if not in word, then in deed.

"I do not like mixing up moralities and mathematics."
Churchill

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Yeah, let's see you man up over false accusations of pedophilia or possession of child porn charges where your wife, your coworkers, your family, your neighbors all treat you like some diseased, twisted maniac.

Simon destroyed Gordon's early life. He was committed after his own father tried to kill him because of the gay rumors (remember this is most likely in the mid 80s).

Gordon went off to the military was he had no home, didn't finish high school, no college option. Gordon is messed up--military dismissed Gordon for conduct unbecoming etc, he had a B&E arrest, and something weird about corrupting or harassing a minor (don't remember exactly). Everything that preceded all this was brought on my Simon and his friend's bullying of Gordon.

I think Gordon was giving Simon multiple chances to seek genuine forgiveness for the horrible lie that unraveled his life.

Yes, Gordon's father was a d-bag, yes Gordon is an adult at some point and responsible for his own actions, and yes, Gordon should have made every effort to move on with his life.

That is no way alleviate Simon from his responsibility to make true and proper amends to Gordon and to seek, genuinely and sincerely, forgiveness for Gordon. Giving Gordon the chance to forgive helps Gordon to truly let go and move on.

You sir are not honoring the responsibility and accountability that Simon had to Gordon and carried for all the time that he failed to make amends.

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So your cavalier "Get over it!" line of thought leaves a LOT to be desired in terms of processing the depth of the consequences of Simon's bad acts.

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to Smelling salt - well, actually, I have had a somewhat similar experience. A person I met in my life (ill keep the name private) spread it around town that I was a child molester. Why? Because the girl he liked didn't like him, she liked me. Do you know how much traction his story gained, none. Because it was so absurd and such an obvious lie that no one believed him. SO, what did I do? I actually called his brother and told him that if he (the person who had said I was a child molestor) didn't shut up, I was going to hurt him so bad, in so many ways, that he'd never ever recover, physically or mentally. ANd left it at that. Soon after that the person in question owned up to other people that he had lied and made up the story (he didnt admit the jealousy - thats just my hypothesis). As far as a personal meeting, I never bothered. I never saw him again. Someone did tell me that he was sorry - and I said -thats fine but I dont forgive him. So, basically, I never had anything to do with him ever again. Once again, I was too busy living my own life to bother. This is the point I'm making.

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I think all of us have had some minor or major bullying at some point in our lives and I agree you got to move on. You can never let anyone have that power over you in life. Like you I don't condone what Simon did, however, he was a stupid, selfish kid and some times they don't make the best decisions. Some times adults too don't make wise decisions. :)

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You aren't getting it. Simon hasn't changed a bit. From the moment 25 years later when Gordo re-introduced himself to Simon, and Simon got into Gordo's personal space with a hand-on-his shoulder and a wolf smile, "I didn't recognize you!"

Simon is still a bully and sociopath. Sociopaths are controlling to the point of sickness, he took a weak person as his wife, then separated Robyn from any support by removing her from her family, work-and-career, geographic region, and is guilt-tripping her into thinking Robyn is the reason for the 'fresh start' halfway across the country. Nope. Simon is still up to his games, his remorseless manipulating for his own amusement and benefit (can you imagine using a friend to get a job and recommendation, and letting them down like Simon did? Me neither.)

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I agree with you partially. I was bullied from 5th to 7th grade by guys and girls. I had a strong mother who loved me unconditionally which I think helped me through it. I never got apologies from any of them even though a few later wanted to be my friend. A few years ago I saw one of the girls waitressing. We were pleasant to each other but I did enjoy that she was serving me while I was on a work lunch for my job at a big company (yes I know I'm not right for feeling that way either, but when one is bullied a little bit of life justice goes a long way). I felt justified in being smug. Sue me.
I moved on with my life. Have a great job and friends. It did mess me up though. I still look in the mirror and have those days where all I see is the big nosed ugly girl that no man could possibly love. Then I have days where I feel pretty. If it weren't for the bullying I wouldn't have those ugly days.
In the case of the movie, Gordo's entire life was turned upside down (I never say ruined because that's always to be determined). His father beat him, kids thought he was gay and he was sent away (where life may have also sucked). That one lie flipped the kid's entire life and future. Maybe he still would have been a "loser" but maybe not. His actions towards Simon and his family were not right, but I do love me a revenge story especially in the case of bullies. Add the fact that Simon screwed up another person's life in the present, and proved he hadn't matured or changed. Revenge was justified to me (but not raping his wife...that's where he lost me).

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To Jill, ha ahhaaa -no I wont sue you. I think you are an adult who has a life that played it perfectly. You got joy in having someone who bullied you in the sorry position of now being a waitress while you had graduated to a good job at a big company. That is a pleasant form of revenge and Im happy for you. It wasnt necessary for you to go out of your way or make it a critical part of your life to get revenge, why? Because you were too busy living your own life. This is the point Ive been making in this thread but some people just dont seem to get it. You got your revenge. Just in a different, peaceful way. And as I said - I couldnt be happier for you.

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Thankfully I was never bullied in high school was quite popular in fact and even served on Student Government. However, I empathized with Gordo. Simon took away a part of his childhood. He lied about him being gay which drove Gordo's father to light him on fire. Or did you all miss that? Gordo's father went to jail for attempted murder. Gordo was taken out of school and sent away. And Simon didn't give two f@cks.

So, um...yeah, I could understand Gordo's life being affected. How would you like your family torn apart, losing all your friends because of some kid's lie? Maybe I need provide an example. I had a high school mate falsely accused of raping his white girlfriend because her racist father found them together. He went to jail for eight years. Should he have a grudge? Oh no, he should just let it go like Gordo because it happened years ago.

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