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Don’t cut yourself on that edge, Lars


This was bad and felt pointless to me. I didn’t connect with the film. Although disturbing and sad, I felt no suspense, fear or intensity.

The film had social realism in the scenes with Jacqueline. I can applaud it a little for that, because it was the most engaging and interesting part. It didn’t fit the rest of the film.

Not that a film has to be socially realistic, it just happened to be the best part of this film, for me.
This film was hard to like.

Breaking The Waves remains his best work, an almost perfect film. Nymphomaniac vol. 2 lies two points behind as runner-up.

Still haven’t seen Dogville or Europa.

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I watched it twice, by the way.

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It's an arthouse film. You could call it Postmodern or whatever you'd, like. When it comes to Postmodern art you CAN critique it by conventional standards, but I don't think the artist would necessarily care if you did

What I mean to say is that Lars von Trier is not trying to stick to standard film or story conventions. You can call it pretentious, self-indulgent, or just BAD, but most modern film criticism fails to take into account the INTENTIONS of the artist, which is a very important component of Postmodern art

von Trier is clearly trying to make statements about humanity, about art, about morality, etc.

You thought it was disturbing and sad, but lacked suspense and intensity. What makes you think that von Trier was attempting to create suspense or intensity? Because it's a "Horror" film?

I would say the first incident does attempt to create suspense within the conversation between Matt Dillon and Uma Thurman. von Trier delays the killing for quite a bit, but teases the viewer several times before. He picks her up, drops her off to get her jack fixed, picks her up again, drops her off back at her car, then finally picks her up one last time. I would say that von Trier WAS attempting to build suspense, among other things with this sequence. If you felt that it lacked suspense then I would say that your criticism is valid (not that I am anyone to validate or invalidate your opinions)

But most of the other "incidents" seem to lack the necessary build-up to be analytically determined to be attempting to build suspense. I don't believe that creating Horror (at least by conventional methods) was the director's primary motive throughout most of the film. I would say that the most traditionally "Horror" incident would be the one you say was your favorite, the one with Jacqueline

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No filmmaker would care. People can criticize whatever they want however they want. Sorry your god was challenged. Dude is not well and made one decent film.

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He isn't my god, I've only seen like 2 of his movies lol. Go into my post history and show me proof that I give a shit about Lars von Trier. I don't have the patience to waste more time shitting on dumbasses like you, but thanks for your input

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You’re rude for no reason. Cursing is not classy bro.

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I kinda liked it despite its dark material. I Especially love the ending when he gets what he deserves. His ego and his sense of pride lead him to hell. This film is very esoteric for sure one needs to be aware of esoteric things to appreciate it.

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Yes, the ending is really nice and tidy. The bad guy gets what he deserves.

He seemed unfazed by the thought of going to hell, but he was still tempted by the possibility of escaping the consequences which has actions rightly bring: he wanted to climb his way out of hell by taking the very big risk of facing eternity in an even deeper hell. Hubris is met with nemesis. Verge says this earlier in the movie and it comes back to bite Jack in the ass at the end

And yes, I agree. A deep appreciation and understanding of art and philosophy are not common nowadays, so you could say that they're esoteric. A film like The Big Short can go balls-deep into detail about financial bullshit, or Moneyball can give us lessons on the application of statistics in sports and we just nod our heads stupidly and focus on the witty dialogue and take for granted the esoteric details of their subjects

But when it comes to things like art and philosophy we become hostile when they are presented to us in a challenging way. It's funny how we can accept that we are stupid in some areas of knowledge but get offended when we are confronted with our stupidity in other areas of knowledge which we consider to be useless or purely subjective

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Excellent reply friend.

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In the incident with Jacqueline you do see a much more conventional approach to directing Horror, you have a female victim who recognizes she is in danger, is coerced back into feeling safe, then realizes that her initial instincts were correct when she discovers the cut telephone cord. Then she tries to flee and you have the "jump scare" moment where Jack pops up beside her as she stands by the front door. Much more conventionally "suspenseful" compared to most of the other incidents

I would say that it's only after this "shot" with Jack and the victim standing by the door that von Trier reverts back to the storytelling mode which he uses throughout the rest of the film. Mixing philosophical exposition with "shock" horror. You see Jack going on a monologue about how alone and w/o hope the victim is in spite of the fact that she is in a building surrounded by people

The film is basically a philosophical treatise more than it's a conventional film. The disturbing parts of it are both "exploitative" (in the film genre sense) and illustrations which contextualize the dialectical exchange between Jack and Verge

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I may be sounding like I'm just trying to write a fucking essay on this movie and using a bunch of academic and critical jargon to obscure an actual point. But my point is simply this:

Every incident corresponds to a statement that von Trier is trying to make about some philosophical concept, whether it be art (aesthetics), morality (ethics), or whatever else. It's actually pretty on-the-nose. In the incident with the mother and two children he hits you over the head with the point that humans, in general, are capable of great evil as illustrated by Jack's monologue on the hunting traditions of the past.

In the second incident, you have Jack talk his way into a woman's home simply by promising her money. He gives a TERRIBLE and unconvincing performance as a police officer, but manages to get in by appealing to the person's greed.

The incident with Jacqueline he's making a point about how humans really don't care about each other. No one will come to her aid because everyone is too cynical or too self-absorbed or too apathetic to do anything

All of the philosophical points can be seen as fairly nihilistic. It's up to you to decide whether you agree with them or not. But the point is that that was clearly the main intention behind this film. It wasn't to make just a scary movie, but to equate Jack with humanity as a whole

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I'm sure you can find some secluded niche with people who think likewise. But I suggest you try and find something else to do if you want to be a succes.

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bruh

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