Anatole and Natasha


Am I the only one who likes them together? I think they're hot together, and I'm a sucker for good girl/bad boy romance.

Also, it's wonderful karma from beyond the grave to Andrei for the way he treated Lisa! He didn't treat Natasha right either imo. Anatole would never have been able to get a foothold had Andrei been good to Natasha and made her feel loved, so he has only himself to blame.

I read some nasty tweets about Callum Turner's looks and I think that is so cruel. As if he wrote the story! What is wrong with people that they would say hurtful things about a real life person over fictional characters? I hope he didn't see those comments, and if he did he should ignore them, they're not true and just butt hurt people lashing out because they aren't getting their way about a fictional pairing. Very sad.

I look forward to the rest of the movie!

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Anatole is so nasty....
And do you remember that he had a wife?
He was stupid and had strange relationship with his sister

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Yes, I know he's far from perfect, but I still think he's hot with Natasha and that they would be a sweet couple if she could "tame the beast" so to speak (at least somewhat tame it).

And I still think that it's not Anatole's fault about Andrei being cheated on this, because I believe Andrei brought this on himself.

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Rikajessie wants to see Cinderella ...

Take a walk on the wild side

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I sure do! 😀

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Attacks on the actor were completely uncalled for. He is attractive just not in a way Anatole is supposed to be. He was miscast and that made the story confusing.

Anatole is basically a Mr. Wickham character from Pride&Prejudice. He is spoiled and handsome and charming and he feels entitled to be loved. But he doesn't love anyone except for himself.

Natasha uses him as an escape from a situation she found herself in. She did what was expected of her but then she realized she didn't really want to be a good docile proper wife of an aristocrat.

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I agree with you. I feel bad for Callum Turner.

He doesn't look "vulpine" to me. Of course he's no James Norton, who, of course, is no Aidan Turner. Isn't the Internet wonderful? Now male actors can be judged as harshly on their looks as actresses have always been.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3415334/How-choose-creepy-Anatole-Andrei-War-Peace-fans-left-distraught-Natasha-ditches-Prince-Charming-Tolstoy-s-bad-boy.html




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I commented in that article, because I wanted people to know that those twitter posts were horrible! People seem to forget that actors are human with feelings just like everyone else.....

To me, I think he's just as good looking as James Norton. Jmo.

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Yes, they probably do take it in stride, however I have heard that it does start to hurt, and I mean down deep, we are vulnerable to being hurt by criticism. Those things nag at you, even if you are strong.

I think the poster is just somebody who's a big Natasha/Andrei and Andrei/James Norton fan who is pissed off that Natasha moved on to another guy. So they are taking it out on Callum Turner because he plays the "interloper", Anatole.

They should be bashing Tolstoy if they are that mad, he is the one that wrote this story. It's not like the movie producers made the Natasha/Anatole pairing up on their own. So they don't like Anatole and Natasha together? Big deal. What is Callum Turner supposed to do about it.


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I don't know. Because how many actors want to be described as "rat faced" (I think rats are cute anyway, haha), creepy, slimy, not handsome, whatever. They were all major insults.

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Well, I think the problem with adapting a novel to film is that everyone kind of makes their own image of what a character looks like when they are reading and it doesn't always match what others are picturing. It also doesn't always match who can play the part the best. I'm sure the casting people chose the actor based on his ability to play the part the best of whoever else auditioned.

And another thing is that when writers of novels describe people as unbelievably gorgeous and physically perfect, that can make difficulty casting as well. Because in reality nobody is perfect no matter how good looking, and everyone also has different ideas of who is good looking and who isn't. I see many comments about actresses that I think are pretty and they're being called ugly by others, and I'm like, what the hell.....

Anyway, I'm glad that the thing with Anatole freed Natasha from Andrei, he just wasn't right for her in the long run.

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The character is a cad and a bounder, and is obviously bad news for Natasha.

However, I think people have unfairly judged the actors, and the writing. The seduction scenes were very intense and sexy, and they are necessary to the story!

People keep saying the actor is not handsome enough or not charming enough to play the role. I think the casting director along with Andrew Davies has made some smart decisions with the writing to modernize Anatole. Here he's a sleazy playboy of the modern world. Natasha is a susceptible teenage girl who is basically gagging for it.

She's been in romantic limbo for almost a year and then suddenly this sexually confident man treats her in a way no other man has. Her other suitors have treated her as a charming, delightful child. This version shows she is attracted to Anatole and he to her as a sexual being.

He needs to be different enough from Andrei to make it believable. All in all, I think it was pitched and handled really well.

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I never read the book so I can't compare the movie. But I agree with your assessment re: the casting.

I think a lot of people think it's just so easy to cast someone who looks exactly as the book description and I don't think they get what it is to be a film maker and everything that goes into casting. It's more than just looks, it depends on who can play the part in the most effective way.

I guess people who never read the book don't get that the story has it that Natasha falls for Anatole, they are acting like this is not based on a book and just a script that the film makers made up!

Anyway, I don't blame Natasha for being seduced by Anatole. When a woman feels neglected, it's very easy to fall for another man's attentions.

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I think the casting director along with Andrew Davies has made some smart decisions with the writing to modernize Anatole. Here he's a sleazy playboy of the modern world. Natasha is a susceptible teenage girl who is basically gagging for it.


And that's fine. As long as you don't mind these scenes playing like an episode of Grange Hill.



Call me Ishmael...

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I think that's an unfair assessment, but each to their own. Also I can't think of anything less modern than Grange Hill, but there we are.

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Well, perhaps it was a bit arch. And a bit unfair. But the presentation of Anatole's seduction somehow feels too overt, too simplified. Perhaps I really should try and forget the book, where the relationships between Natasha & Andrei and Natasha & Anatole - play out with rather different implications.


Call me Ishmael...

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She's been in romantic limbo for almost a year and then suddenly this sexually confident man treats her in a way no other man has. Her other suitors have treated her as a charming, delightful child. This version shows she is attracted to Anatole and he to her as a sexual being.


Totally agree with this comment!

Also, I've seen other remarks on this forum that Anatole's seduction of Natasha was very 'Dangerous Liaisons'; that is, he just wanted her for another notch on his bedpost and the thrill of seducing a virgin. I don't agree with that assessment. I got the impression that Davies was trying to show that Anatole was smitten by Natasha, and believed himself to be in love with her. It wasn't true or deep love, where you care more about the other person's happiness and wellbeing than you do for yourself, but it was the closest someone such as Anatole could get to love. The scene where he asks for Dolokhov's help in eloping with her cemented that for me.

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Eloping is nearly always disastrous for the woman. Eloping doesn’t mean running away to get married. It means running away with someone against the moral rules of society. Sometimes elopements ended with marriage, most times they did not. E.g. in Jane Austen’s Pride and Prejudice, Wickham never intended to marry Lydia. Darcy bribes him to do it to save the repitation of her sisters.

In Austen’s Mansfield Park, a married woman elopes with a man who is not her husband. They both know their relationship has no future, but their passions overtake their good sense. The consequences are terrible for the woman, who ends up shunned by society and forced to live alone with a horrible, widowed aunt.

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Everyone in this topic has offered insights that I agree with, quite rare for a forum!

I also would like to add that Natasha was not only a hormonally charged teenager but that she felt rejected by Andrei and his family. Andrei's father cold, dismissive treatment of her and Andrei's absence made her think this whole happy, married life with Andrei is not going to happen. She must have felt a huge void that was easily filled by Anatole's advances.

Like many have stated already, Anatole evoked her sexual desires like no man has. Natasha, like so many young women of the time, could only contemplate having any sexual relations in the marital chamber, and Anatole unleashed the floodgates, so to speak.

All these aristocrats may have known each other or have been aware of each other's existence their whole lives, so there is already enough familiarity yet not everyone is close to each other... yet.

I thought Callum Turner was well-casted. He does the bad boy routine well and looks menacing. I also agree that it's impossible to cast an actor that will please all audiences.

For example, I found it hard to believe that the actress Tuppence Middleton who played Helene Kuragin to be the most beautiful, jaw-dropping woman in St. Petersburg. While she is attractive, is she as stunning as the average Miss Universe? In the 1956 version Anita Ekberg, known to be one of the most beautiful actresses to walk the earth, played Helene.

While I found Callum Turner as Anatole convincing, I didn't find Tuppence Middleton as Helene convincing. Anatole's "charms" are not based on looks alone, they are based on his cad qualities, a promise of a dangerous, thrilling adventure. Helene's "charms" are solely based on looks and outward pleasantness. A larger number of actors can play Anatole, while a very few select actresses can play the most beautiful woman in St Petersburg.

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I never read the book, but I watched the series and the film, and I agree about Tuppence Middleton being miscast. For instance, I never thought that she suppose to be the most beautiful woman in St petersburg, maybe it was said on the series and I don't remember, but only by her looks, I would never guessed.

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It was not mentioned in the series; in one of the marketing materials, she was mentioned as the most beautiful woman in St Petersburg. I can't find it, sorry.

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@Schupple and @LeofricsBeloved : great analysis

There is also an interesting parallel to draw between episode4 Hunting scene and the seduction process of Anatole. During the hunt scene, Natacha is lost in the wood and gets trapped by a desperate hunted wolf. Despite the danger, the wolf takes the time to gaze at Natacha and litteraly mesmerize her. The charm is only broken when hunters are getting closer and the wolf flees.

That wolf was obviously an alter ego of Anatole. Later on, we found the actor who played Anatole was not only a good one (in my opionon) but he was physically very close to the wolf and shared many physical attributes (gaze, eyes, slender, etc.). So he was a perfect much according to me.

However, I Don't believe Anatole had any good intention toward Natacha. Anatole was morally flawed as demonstrated numerous times during the series (having intercourses with his sister, seducing a girl while he was trying to proposed to the princess). I think it's fair to say he just wanted to sleep with Natacha or, worst, to "lost her" as a game. As a irrefutable proof, if he had genuine sentiments, he would have revealed to Natacha he was already married. He was just that a wolf after all.


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No, it's awful.

I was about to make a topic asking if it is like this in the book. All he is is a creep that declares his 'love' after one meeting and Natasha somehow falls for it. I loved her character up until then.

He's a disgusting slimebag. And I have no respect for Natasha after she somehow fell for him after all he did was stalk her for a couple of days.

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