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How many of you believe in supernatural forces?


Just curious. Personally I don't.

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I have to almost believe it. I can't deny it atleast, and that scares me. There is too much proof and wierd *beep* out there if you look hard enough. Loved this movie tho! even better than the first one.

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I believe! I've had some pretty interesting experiences. Like for instance, a buddy of mine told me this crazy story about how one night he was dreaming and he came upon this little girl in a white dress with wet messy hair sitting under a tree. She then proceeded to tell him that she was there to deliver a message and that one of his friends had just died. When he woke up the next morning, he was greeted to a phone call where he was then informed that a close friend had passed away. Then many months later after he told me this story and she wasn't even on my mind, I was driving home from a late night college class and was pretty much alone on the freeway as it was around 11 PM and out of the corner of my eye in the rear view mirror I see the same little girl sitting in the back seat of my car. I did a double take and when I looked again she was gone. Never seen her since then either. Very strange.

I have more I can share if people like. Me an my friends seem to be spirit magnets lol.

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Ok, so there's no scientific evidence, whatsoever. Check. There's loads and loads of charlatans taking advantage of gullible people and faking paranormal activities as if it was a national sport. Check. I don't dispute that.

But can you naysayers that seem so sure that there is absolutely no such thing as ghosts or spirits, as if "no proof yet" would equal "never will be", can you explain this one to me. Because once in a while, something really messed up happens. And this story is one I still to this day can't wrap my head around.

So, back when I was a teenager, this was in the 80 's, our little gang of friends had this bright idea to try a Oujia board, as kids do. We got some weird results that didn't make any sense. "320","ring", "police". We couldn't make heads or tails of it, and the general consensus was that someone had done the pushing, deliberately. Of course no one wanted to admit to it.

Late at night we got on our bikes and parted ways. Back home, it felt like I had just fallen asleep when the doorbell rang. It turned out to be one of the guys. He was dead pale and looked sincerely shaken. And he asked me if he could sleep over. I laughed and called him a wuss. But then he told me what had happened when he got home.

He was the first in the gang to move into his own apartment. So when he got home, he had been a bit scared, still. So he put on the vinyl record that was already lying on the player, to calm his nerves with some music.

That's when his phone began to ring. Landline, since this was in the 80s. By chance, he looked up on the clock on the wall, and saw that it was 3.20 am. And while the phone kept ringing, he realized he was listening to The Police. Stings voice sang "every breath you take, every move you make, I'll be watching you."

Without answering the phone, he bolted out the door, got on the bike and zoomed over to my place.

So, anyway. You might not trust the source. For you, I'm just some random guy on the internet. I, however, trust the source- my friend. He wasn't himself for a long time after that.

But, let's say you did know and trust the source, for arguments sake. How would you explain this? Because, even if we did subconsciously move that Oujia marker thingy around, isn't that a whole lot of weird coincidences? 320? Ring? Police?

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So you had a wacky friend who got spooked by a kids toy, therefore supernatural?

I guess that settles that question then. What more evidence could anyone possibly need!

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I do believe in God, the devil, souls and afterlife

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500 years from now when maybe man has a permanent bridge to the afterlife, people from that time will be laughing at us like we laugh at past civilations who thought the earth was flat

who knows

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I believe in the supernatural, only I think a better term is "the Transcendent". I call it "God" and the souls embraced by God.

I don't believe in supernatural forces or powers because I deny that God is a creator/intervener in the processes of the material world.

However, I believe that "strange events" and anomalous things have always happened - not because of God or the supernatural/Transcendent, but because of yet-unknown process that connect matter/Nature with the unconscious elements of the self.

So I believe in synchronicity as Carl Jung defined it, as an apparently acausal connecting factor - connecting the human psyche/unconscious with the surrounding environment, in a meaningful way. Conceived as a natural but unknown force, synchrnocity comes upon us, acts upon us, in the manner of meaningful coincidence. We do not cause it. This is the exact opposite of those who claim to have harnessed "strange powers" and claim to deliberately manipulate matter or even other people's minds - usually for fame and/or profit.

Jungian synchronicity is a natural, wild, unpredictable thing. It is not a "psychic power" or mental ability - it's a reaching out from unknown natural forces to unknown forces of the human unconscious. It's "paranormal", not "supernatural".

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I don't believe in it, but I like movies that deal with it.

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I'd really like to believe but there's simply no way. If supernatural forces were real, there would have been massive undeniable occurrences by now.

Think about it. Everyone and their dogs has a camera on them at all times nowadays. How could no verifiable event be reported by now?

Did demons just give up after cell phones? How about Ghosts? It just seems convenient that all these accounts always took place before anybody could grab a video.

For every lie I unlearn I learn something new - Ani Difranco

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