For a man vs women version.


How about this, a group of women break into a guys house and rob him, and to stop him from contacting the authorities they have him imprisoned for raping them, they drug themselves, plant drugs in his house, and make him have sex with them, he spends all of his younger years rotting away in prison, his life is ruined, he's lost his job, his wife/girlfriend, everyone he knows thinks he's a vile rapist when he's finally released he goes on the hunt.

Haven't thought that much about it so tell if it's stupid, but I'm seeing quite a few people here wanting to see a man vs women version and I thought that'd be a cool little turn on the series.

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It's NOT stupid. However it might never happen. Although it would make a change. It's an interesting idea.

Or maybe the guy could be a young model (like in the film) and the all female photography staff try to force him to do some penis or ass shots and when he refuses then they rape him.

Of course I'm not sure if anyone would want to watch a man torture women to death... I might be wrong.

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Yaah...it is pretty stupid.I hate to break it to you..but a deranged group of women forcing yo to have sex i not going to be your ticket out of virginity.

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Projection thy name is baconbit.

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A man as the protagonist with a female antagonist just doesn't happen in movies. It would be a nice change but audiences are expected to cheer when women kill evil men but men killing evil women is very taboo. I can't think of a single instance where we are supposed to be glad when a male character kills a female character in a movie, evil or not.

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If women assaulted a man in the same manor as the men assault Katie in this, I'd be egging him on, no problem! I despise rapists of either sex.

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Um, have you seen the recent Keanu Reeves movie, "Knock Knock"? Not only are the antagonists female, the plot is actually somewhat similar to the OPs description.

I can't think of a single instance where we are supposed to be glad when a male character kills a female character in a movie, evil or not.

Mrs Carmody in "The Mist". Shot twice by a man, in the stomach and forehead.

Lola in Transporter 2, killed by the hero.

Fatima Blush in Never Say Never Again, killed by James Bond.

Elektra in The World is Not Enough, killed by James Bond.

Xenia Onatop in Goldeneye, killed by James Bond.

Te T-X in Terminator 3, killed by Arnie (technically the T-X isn't a woman, but she presents as one).

Annie Wilkes in Misery, killed by the hero.

Those are just off the top of my head. Every one of them is treated as a victorious moment for the audience.


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Some of those are pretty decent examples but Knock Knock doesn't fit at all. It's female villains kidnapping and abusing an innocent man and ruining his life for their own sick thrill but then he doesn't get revenge at the end, they get no punishment whatsoever unlike the male rapists in this one.

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Sounds a little similar to KNOCK KNOCK.

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The thing is - its kind of like how it is OK for instance for men to hit men or sometimes women to hit men, but it is considered totally wrong for men to hit women, and I can actually somewhat understand how as simply normal human beings, it is sort of OK in the traditional genre sense to make revenge movies with standard scenarios but the other way around would be considered unacceptable by many.

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What I do sometimes wonder though about is this -

Even though indeed in many films and films like this the villains are indeed usually men, and based on that reason alone subconsciously if they do all the cruel stuff to either people we cheer at their violent deaths and whatnot, the fact that...

... in other films, perhaps nowhere near to that extent, we also have female villains and whatnot and when you see THEM doing bad stuff including but not limited to killing INNOCENT people, does it kind of stop you from thinking that its just men that are all bad and do you also want these female characters to pay for what they do, including possibly getting killed in self defense?

And yet with that all being said, it still DOESN'T even remotely stop audiences in films like this from cheering gladly when such bad guys that are men get killed in revenge often in sadistic fashion, and we all feel like it is being done perfectly and in the name of justice.

Or maybe all that means is that we could look at certain situations SEPARATELY and not use one universal criteria to judge it all. The world's not perfect, exceptions may always happen however small, though we have 9 billion people on the planet.

Heck, on a totally different side, I've seen movies where (yes male) rapists not only got away with it but were forgiven and even tried to in some ways elicit audience sympathy in the process. Think movies like Stanley Kubrick's "A Clockwork Orange" (1971) or Abel Ferrara's "Bad Lieutenant" (1992) or even Mike Leigh's "Naked" (1993) where a guy Johnny, although he was flawed and hurtful to people in other departments as well, having raped a woman at the beginning of the film, was at times portrayed as a troubled and even pitiful character for whom we were meant to feel sorry on some occasions, and no one exacted that kind of violent revenge on him like in these "Grave" movies.

I think I understand full well and yes there is at least a BIT of double standard for why it IS treated slightly differently with men and women who may do same at times bad things. But I'll explain it all later.

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A couple of other movies where the woman is a basass and a man extracts revenge are:
1. Play Misty For Me ( I'm surprised that Jessica Walter didn't climb to greater heights after her great performance in this).
2. Fatal Attraction

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Well, technically speaking, in Fatal Attraction, Michael Douglas' character doesn't exactly exact revenge on her, it is his wife who at the end shoots her but does so in self defense - and there is also a difference between revenge and self defense killings.

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Also, for arguably THE only movie that REALLY reverses this well known formula and has a man seeking revenge against two women that do it to him, try and track down this very little known Canadian short film directed by Matthew Saliba called "She Was Asking For It" (2007) and inform on your opinion.

I haven't seen it myself yet, not least due to it being so obscure, but if opportunity arrives I might give it a go though.

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Would NEVER happen today but it would be an interesting twist to the classic female revenge tale.

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You, to use the word ridiculously loosely, “thought” wrong, OP.

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