The Turd Sandwich Trilogy


Even if JJ Abrams manages to make episode 9 as good as episode 7 (as in, a reasonably servicable hack job that at least feels like a Star Wars film) nothing can ever flush the turd that is TLJ. Its noxious essence will ooze into the other movies and degrade and taint them forever.

The "Sequel Trilogy" is a reeking, dripping turd sandwiched between two pieces of stale Wonder bread. Pre-order the deluxe box set today!

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There's about a 1% chance that they'll use the material generated by Force Awakens and Last Jedi to wrap everything up and bring a magnificent close to their section of the space opera, but I'm doubtful.

My opinion is that The Last Jedi had a lot of interesting ideas without following through properly on them (plus, it's riddled with plotholes, odd character problems, and serious scripting issues). It's not a great film. If the third movie takes the ideas and themes started with Last Jedi and manages to annihilate the script problems, they can pull it off. But JJ Abrams has never been great at wrapping things up, so...it's a long-shot.

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I gotta say...I thought the ideas and themes sucked as well...too forced often spoon fed...Rain is STILL explaining and defending his work...name another credible director that has had to go on an explanation tour for their new release. I honestly see NOTHING to build a conclusion from for ep.9...what am I missing?

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So, I'm assuming you didn't like some of this stuff, but here's what I liked:

1. The theme of failure. I think it's really, really, really interesting to take a cut-and-dry/plug-and-play adventure story like Star Wars and make it about failure and confronting failure. They did this *really well* in Wrath of Khan. They took space cowboy James T. Kirk and made him deal with getting old, facing death, and the inevitable no-win scenario that he never faced on TV. Because of shoddy writing, Last Jedi never lives up to the possibilities here. But I love the idea of noble hero Luke Skywalker saving the universe, redeeming his father's very soul, and then needing to cope with failure. Unfortunately, partially because of The Force Awakens, we don't see him dealing with anything, we just see him moping on an island. He isn't working through anything, he's just given up, which isn't fun or interesting to watch.

Likewise, watching Poe and Finn try to save the universe with their "one in a million" plan and having the plan backfire: great idea, poorly executed. Holdo's refusal to act like a competent leader (reveal your plan OR tell Poe to screw off because he's a pilot and you're a general, but for goodness sake, don't pretend like the only idea you have is "drive away slowly" - of COURSE Poe is going to react badly to that) makes it fall apart because it was a plan destined to fail, but by people who had no other option.

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I love the theme of failure...it's been done numerous times in the Star Wars universe...most notably...The Empire Strikes Back!!! Would have love for the new trilogy to have been about Lukes failure...redemption...and final heroic demise. I got it all crammed into one shoddily made film...by your own admission from what I read...poor execution, not fun or interesting to watch, etc. The same applies to the new characters presented in TFA...would have enjoyed seeing them overcome relatable, entertaining obstacles in this installment.

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2. The theme of holding on to the past for the sake of the symbol, not for the essence of what is important. This got watered down again, but here's my take: Kylo Ren's philosophy is to burn the past and start again. He's wrong: you shouldn't forget the past, you should learn from it and respect those who have gone before, but not revere every detail for its own sake. I like this a lot. Luke's wisdom (a rare moment in The Last Jedi) is solid. He tells Rey, "Don't worry about the *Jedi*, worry about the *Force*," and that's a beautiful message. But...

...again, it's spoiled by the script. Last Jedi presents this theme, not as Luke's wisdom, but as, "ignore the past (old Star Wars movies, Gen X, Baby Boomers), and go get 'em Millennials!" It's just a mess because the script can't stick to decent charactisation for half the people we're watching, it's just shoehorning messages in without a clear focus.

At the end of the film, I'm not sure exactly what Johnson's going for with this one. He seems to be trying to undercut the previous films' characters and moral stances, but not Leia. He wants us to think Luke failed, but doesn't give a reason for Luke to spend ten years in exile - not really (I don't by, "it seems to be what Jedi do", because that's a character/plot problem that falls in the lap of the prequels - not the original mythologies). So, again: I like the theme, but the film mishandles it.

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Could not agree more...basically I don't care what theme is landed on in this roulette wheel style of plot development...JUST WRITE SOMETHINGS COMPELLING!!! Once again...by your own words this did not happen. I guess I just prefer the story telling to dictate the theme of a film rather than a committee to dictate the theme and then require artists to peruse the story from said directive.

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3. Grey morals throughout the film seemed to be adding interesting new tones to the previously black-and-white Star Wars universe. Is Kylo going to be good or bad? What about Rey? The arms dealers on Canto Bight are tainting the Rebels by association...somehow...

...and it starts to fall apart again. The Throne Room scene is my favourite scene in this film. I didn't know who was going to turn who, what was going to happen. I loved the idea of Ren and Rey banding together to neither support the regime of the First Order OR prop up the ineffectual Republic - putting them as kind ambiguously (im)moral people. But, of course, that didn't happen. There were no consequences to that scene, and that ending was a severe misstep.

The arms dealer thing was especially weird. Johnson seemed to be trying to make a point about how everybody's buying weapons, so they're all bad! Except I keep thinking about the original films. The Good Guys weren't bad. They just weren't. And buying a weapon to defend the weak from oppression is not the same as buying a weapon to oppress people, no matter if you bought it from the same person or not.

Canto Bight was a whole other movie's worth of sub-plots and material crammed in. It bogged down the Last Jedi and didn't have time to dig into its themes and morals properly, so the whole thing fell flat and made Finn and Rose's arc worthless. Another good theme down the drain.

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Once again...sure! And once again...by your own estimation...the ambiguity angle fails...it's a fine theme...just poorly executed. Tell a good story and the themes will present themselves...

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So, how does all of this failure (ironically) add up to a potentially-great third film?

Well, if J.J. Abrams takes this bedrock and cashes in, it would work.

1. He has to reconcile the Failures with the Successes. These storylines could weave together to show how success becomes failure and vice-versa. If J.J. presents us with a no-win scenario set up by The Last Jedi, where the heroes have to pick the lesser of two evils, that could be a great place to push these movies into, and would force the characters to deal with some heavy consequences. Notably, the Throne Room scene has to pay off. Maybe the suggestions seeded into Rey and Ren will germinate into them (finally) switching sides. The possibilities are endless. J.J. just needs to pick a great one.

2. He has to bring the sins and glories of the past together with the hope and uncertainty of the future to make this one continual arc instead of just about leaving behind the Baby Boomer heroes to tell the new stories.

3. He has to make the Canto Bight stuff pay off. If the "real" villains in Episode IX, for instance, are the arms dealers, that would be cool. If they are these secret warmongers who supplied the First Order with ships and weapons (explaining how they build Starkiller Base in the process) just to keep war (and profit) going? That's a really great plot twist and a villain we haven't seen in Star Wars: corrupted commerce.

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Here is where you and I fundamentally disagree. Considering you have criticized the execution of every theme you enjoyed...or should have enjoyed? I fail to see how they could expand or conclude these themes in an entertaining fashion. I could write a novel...but you know...we are just on different pages as far as where the trilogy can go...as far as being fun and entertaining...this was seldom a hurdle for Star Wars.

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I'm ignoring a lot of detail that I didn't like in The Last Jedi (and Force Awakens), but I'm just trying to stick to the big stuff.

There was so much set up in TLJ that a third film can build on it, cap off those storylines, and make everything satisfying. It would be a Herculean task, but it's not impossible. This would be a "never tell me the odds" situation.

The reality is that they probably won't do it. But, I think the sequel trilogy put some pretty big misfires into The Force Awakens alone (how did the First Order get their weapons? how did Han *lose* the Millennium Falcon!?) and that means they probably can't salvage it. But the third film *might* pull it off.

Ultimately, I feel like Star Wars was such a monumental thing that it was impossible to follow up Return of the Jedi. You can't do it and please everybody, which means the cracks in the storytelling will cause the whole thing to collapse. But it still stings because there was so much potential in these films. The prequels wasted the opportunity to show the fall of a Republic mirrored/analogised through the Fall of a soul. The sequels are wasting the opportunity to expand the universe and tell further stories of the characters.

At some point, it became more about just making more Star Wars for the sake of itself, not telling a good story. The first three films put story and character first, and that's how they work. The prequels AND sequels are putting "Star Wars" (whatever that means) first and that's why they're failing to recapture the magic.

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With the exception of a bounty of opportunity for the final installment...I agree with you on almost all points. I do believe it would have been possible to continue the franchise...but as you said...with good tales to spin. My number one complaint since the Disney acquisition was that they put a timer on when the first film had to hit the theaters. The first order of business should have been the story! Build on a bad foundation...

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Sorry. That was a lot of gassing on. What can I say? I love film, and I love Star Wars, and I love talking about it.

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Thanks for sharing!

That was a lot of thoughts to read over - very refreshing :)

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Never a problem! Have never missed an opening day for Star Wars since its inception...still love her...but it's like the love one might have for some cheating whore now LOL.

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I'm already planning on making a fan edit. Depends if episode 9 is good enough to actually fabricate a good SW story from all 3 movies. They only part of TLJ I will use is Rey's training. I will also cut out all the mentions of finding Luke with a map, Starkiller Base etc. It will be a different story. It all depends on how episode 9 is made though. If 9 is really good, I wont have to use alot of TFA and TLJ. Maybe make a 2 episode long story.

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