Quick poll, to see how many here either sympathised with Jasmine or totally hated her guts. No bashing or long winded explanations, just your gut feel after watching the movie.
Personally, I felt sorry for Jasmine.
Sympathized with her.
I wish we could have seen her progress and redeem herself but I still loved the movie and the ending.
Perhaps our greatest cruelty is our blindness to the despair of others.
I didn't feel all that sorry for her simply because if she called the FBI on her husband, that shows she knew. She may not have anticipated that catching her husband would also end her own affluent life, but the life she lived was based on theft anyway.
shareI did not hate her but I did not feel sorry for her either. I just did not like her.
shareAfter some deliberation, i do not feel sorry for her. She brought it upon herself. She may have been loving to her husband, but she took all his wealth for granted while her husband became her daddy. She herself stated that she wanted to make something of herself and while she had all the time and opportunity in the world under her husband's care, she chose to bask in this glory and dint pay heed to developing skills to survive in the world. Also, she was almost indifferent to her lovely sister who more often that not, chose Jasmine's side even though she had lost her 200k. If i had a sister like that, i would hold them in the highest regard in my heart and never let go.
shareAgreed. Her sister was so incredibly good to her, it broke my heart. The way Jasmine treated them when they came to visit New York was despicable.
shareI have to say that I enjoy the Dullboy9000 and threenails10 conversation. In that modern non forgiving mode I would like Jasmine to complete a suicide pact with her fiancé.
In a more forgiving vein, I see the movie as a retelling of the fable of the frog and the scorpion.
Ginger is the frog.
Jasmine is the scorpion.
Everyone else is collateral damage.
There is no helping the scorpion. It's character is it's destiny. When we get entangled in that situation we are simply adding to the body count.
Great Movie though. Well worthy of praise.
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Jasmine was a drunkard drug addict who never managed to achieve anything in life other than look good and seduce rich males. To add to that, when she learns that her husband had lost her seduction grasp and fallen in love with another she calsl the FBI, not because she wanted to do the right thing - she could have done that any time, no, but out of revenge. Because how dare the man, being her property, have sex with another woman. obviuosly she owns him and can treat him like a slave and tell him what he can or cannot love.
After that she still however learns nothing and tries to do this all over again as soon as life gets tough instead of trying to finish her studies (second time she does it too). This time it fails however due to lucky accident of meeting somone who knows the truth. Yet even after that she continues to lie and scheme
Jasmine is the perfect example of steretypical dumb blonde that is also not right in the head.
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Yes, i do not like Jasmine.
How many rich men did Jasmine actually seduce? None. If you follow the plot, Jasmine met Hal when she was in her last year of college and he ‘swept her off her feet.’ They stayed married for 20+ years while Hal had numerous adulterous affairs and was a crook. Hal was very charming, handsome and seductive and needed a young beautiful trophy wife to help him socially in his investment business and to get custody of his son from his first marriage.
Jasmine looked the other way with Hal’s numerous adulterous affairs.
Hal was not ‘her property’ or ‘her slave’ but her husband. Hal wanted a divorce to marry a younger woman and told Jasmine she would be taken care of.
Jasmine had not made the phone call out of pure rage, she would have wound up with a large divorce $ettlement, the Park Avenue apartment and probably the lavish beach house.
Hal was the villain. Many of his investors lost fortunes and Jasmine did other investors a favor by making the phone call. Jasmine was not an accomplice or would have gone to prison as well. She looked the other way in both his business and extra-marital affairs.
Jasmine was very serious about her studies but had many major obstacles in her way besides not having money: Jasmine had a previous mental breakdown and was hospitalized; she was dually addicted to alcohol and Xanax which contributed to her erratic behavior. She worked for a lecherous dentist. As her classmate stated, Jasmine should have sued him for sexual harrassment. She was constantly being badgered by Chili who felt Jasmine had blindsided his plans to move in with Ginger and the constant noise in Ginger’s apartment and lack of privacy. If only she had taken the divorce settlement…
Jasmine was delusional and did lie to Dwight about her past life but she did not seduce him. Dwight needed a trophy wife to further his political ambitions and I believe he honestly cared about her. Jasmine did not seduce him and it was Dwight who made all the advances from the first kiss to the marriage proposal.
LOL about your last comment as I get the impression you have watched too many bimbo movies.
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Where is that in the movie? I remember Jasmine asking her classmate if she knew any available men. If Jasmine was on the hunt for men, she could have easily met them in any posh cocktail lounge in San Francisco.
Hal wasn't so smart - look how he wound up. Hal knew Jasmine looked the other way and he flagrantly carried on with his extra-marital affairs and shady business dealings - right in front of Jasmine's friends who remarked that Jasmine shouldn't sign everything. The divorce court would have decided what Jasmine was entitled to - not Hal.
It was Ginger who suggested that Jasmine become an interior designer and Jasmine thought it was a good idea. Jasmine did not have the finances to go directly to a school to get her degree. First, she would have to get her college degree and then an interior designer degree. Jasmine had to take a menial job with the dentist just to pay for basics. I believe the nightime computer class was in a free public school.
Nothing wrong with that. Hope they were good movies.
I didn't know that an interior design qualification was a post-graduate degree in the USA. I thought from the film that she needed some computer skills to access the online design courses that would enable her to become qualified as an interior designer.
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Really? If Hal could have done that, he would have. Smart crooks don't wind up in jail and commit suicide. Smart people also have even smarter lawyers.
Jasmine said she was broke so how could she pay for 'designer classes' whatever that is.
Jasmine was very serious about her studies but had many major obstacles in her way besides not having money: Jasmine had a previous mental breakdown and was hospitalized; she was dually addicted to alcohol and Xanax which contributed to her erratic behavior. She worked for a lecherous dentist. As her classmate stated, Jasmine should have sued him for sexual harrassment. She was constantly being badgered by Chili who felt Jasmine had blindsided his plans to move in with Ginger and the constant noise in Ginger’s apartment and lack of privacy. If only she had taken the divorce settlement…
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Introducing Jasmine to his friend and brainstorming potential career ideas are not hostile acts. At best Chili's trying to help and, at worst, he's trying to get Jasmine back on her feet and out of the house. Chilli discussing Hal and Jasmine's past didn't occur in a vacuum. She was putting on airs, being dismissive, and looking down on all of them. He was letting her know that he knows who she is and that she wasn't better than anyone. She isn't. Chili and Ginger have no money, so how is it stripping Jasmine of her dignity to acknowledge that she's broke?
(Ginger has a big mouth and even told her two young sons about Jasmine in the diner scene).
As far as Jasmine crashing Ginger's apartment, they did have a history together as children and it was Ginger who had suggested the online course.
Jasmine was probably also giving Ginger some money toward rent.
Even if Jasmine was just a 'guest,' she would be entitled to have some peace to study so she could move on.
So much is covered in about a 90-minute film that the audience has to fill-in other parts of Jasmine's former life. Many women do not pursue education once married and take on too much of their husband's identity.
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BTW - the first thing Jasmine said when she saw her stepson in the music shop was something like "Is that what you quit Harvard for?" Also, my point about education was that Jasmine realized education was important after finding out about Hal's affairs and that he was going to divorce her. She brought up the education issue when her stepson was quitting college and moving out.
Even when she tracks down her stepson, after sneering at his current lifestyle, the first thing she says to him is that "she needed him."
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I wasn't rewriting the story, I was simply pointing out that if the character Jasmine was truly committed to education as you claimed, she would find a way to study. That's not what was written, because that's not who the character was.
Danny being embarrassed by his father's crime is not indicative of an obsession with status. You're right, whether Danny went to community college isn't relevant to the plot, but again, if Jasmine was SO committed to education, she would have asked him if he got a degree elsewhere instead of just griping at him for leaving the prestigious Harvard.
You're giving her character attributes not supported by the actual movie. She was probably giving Ginger money? She put education first, despite all evidence to the contrary? Whatever helps you justify her actions.
Even if Jasmine was just a 'guest,' she would be entitled to have some peace to study so she could move on.
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Not really. She could study at the library if she needed peace. Guests don't get to police their host's home.
Regardless, Jasmine was not entitled to police the home and throw fits when Ginger had people over. Her poor sister was a doormat. At least Chilli tried to stand up for her.
Jasmine got what she deserved in the end, so all the excuses for her awful behavior don't bother me much.
Jasmine got what she deserved in the end, so all the excuses for her awful behavior don't bother me much.
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Thanks. I followed your interesting discussion with JadaDreams and felt I wanted to chime in there...
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As far as her being "badgered by Chili?" Not the case. He knew all about her, how she looked down on her sister, but took advantage of Ginger's kindness when she was down on her luck. How Hal lost Ginger & Augie's money and, instead of showing any sort of remorse, Jasmine continued to avoid her sister, and ultimately acted like everyone should just get over it. Chili was not harassing Jasmine; he was sticking up for Ginger who was far too loving and kind to stick up for herself. Jasmine is not entitled to any quiet or privacy while crashing in someone else's home. Ginger was kind enough to try to accommodate her, despite having a life Jasmine vocally wanted no part of, but Jasmine had no right to bust up the party or try to silence her children.
There are a lot of things Jasmine should have done. Least among them was taking the divorce settlement.
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Hated, but started to feel sympathy for her as the movie went on, even though I still kind of hated her, and by the end I was back to unequivocally hating her again. One of Woodie's more memorable, better written characters in a years.
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