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Americans need to pronounce Iraq properly


You're not going to win hearts and minds mispronouncing the names of the countries you're occupying intentionally.

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"Americans need to pronounce Iraq properly"


Nah, we really don't.




Pass me a cheeseburger ........

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And you wonder why the rest of the world doesn't take you seriously, sigh.

America is a third world country waiting to happen.

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Where you from thebricks?

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The world will rue the the day when America ain't the big dog.

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Lol, the rest of the world tries it's hardest to be America. Our culture permeates every corner of the globe.

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They really don’t.

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Yeah, they really do.

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Clearly you’ve never met a French person.

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Most "French" nowadays seem speak Arabic instead of French, so you are right there - The United States isn't influencing French culture. Also, the French football team seems to be inspired by sub-Saharan countries

https://www.thepapare.com/wp-content/uploads/France-Team.jpg

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American pop culture permeates other countries, but by in large the have their own cultures, customs and traditions that they take pride in.

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Hollywood moviemakers are occupying Iraq? Or the actors playing in the movie? Since when? Also, they do this for money - not to "win hearts and minds". 

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How f-king stupid are you? I'm talking about Americans, in general, moron.

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Ah, that's cute. You think I didn't get that. I was pointing out the absurdity of your generalization.

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Please, stop trying to cover up for your abject stupidity.

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"I didn't understand your comment and that makes you stupid"

Sure, yeah. Believe whatever you want pal, doesn't make it true. Have luck stereotyping the entire US on how few actors spell some foreign word. That sure isn't "abject stupidity" at all.

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"I care what other countries think of us." Said no American ever.

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I was reading on some board that some border patrol agent yelled at an Iranian national because they didn't pronounce "Iran" the way he did.

The stupidity of people in America is downright scary. I don't know if it's ever going to change. I really see how they screw up their military campaigns overseas.

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How many times are you going to post that?

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I posted it once, thanks moron.

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And Iran. I'm American but I get it because my parents had to change the way my name was spelled since people mispronounced it so much. It was Castilian Spanish.

Of course I rarely hear people outside of Mexicans pronounce Mexico properly. And so many other counties are also mispronounced and it's blamed on the fact you say it different because we all speak different languages, therefore we pronounce it in our native languages. Um. I thought names ARE the name pronunciation.

Don't get me started on Nevada, Hawaii, or Los Gatos (California).

Sigh. It's not that hard.

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What bothers me about the whole Iraq-Iran thing is that it almost seems like the pronunciation is intentionally wrong, done as a sign of disrespect. It sounds stupid to say it like that. It's like getting a bunch of tattoos or wearing camo gear with Browning logos everywhere. It tells me right away you're an ignorant goober.

I understand some foreigners have some incredibly pretentious ways of pronouncing words, rolling tongues and all that. If I were to go around America doing that, I'd look pretty stupid.

What's funny is, I just Youtube'd some old videos of General Norman Schwarzkopf's briefings to the press, and he pronounces "Iraq" correctly. When America came in the second time, the ignorant pronunciation took precedent, likely, I'm guessing, because of George Bush.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKi3NwLFkX4 This is video of a Schwarzkopf press briefing in 1991. He says "Iraqi" correctly at the beginning.

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Ha! "...because of George Bush." You made me laugh, but seriously, I didn't even consider that. You are onto something with both the foreigners (including American Southerners, New Yorkers, and Hawaiians, as well as any place other than that place being mispronounced) and with the disrespect. I always assumed it was ignorance, or as my French professor said, sometimes foreigners don't even hear a certain sound because in their world it doesn't exist (I can tell you that even as a teenager, I understood that but didn't get how I could hear things and others could not, LOL).

HAWAII is another word that people--including Hawaiians--say "wrong." The biggest problem? No one can actually be sure which way is correct anymore and the fact that people for so long have omitted the 'okina (glottal stop) out of more than half the public spellings (Hawai'i; O'ahu, for example), means the word has actually evolved and adapted and that sucks but it's language. It's ACCEPTABLE now. And I'm guessing that everyone just accepts both pronunciations now... because it's done so much. Then someone learns the correct way and should use it but instead chooses the common way (peer pressure at it's stupidest).

By the way, is it just Americans? Are there any movies from other countries that say such an easy and small word in every wrong way possible? Probably kids streaming American movies will grow up saying it wrong and one day it'll always be mostly wrong. Sigh.

Back to Hawaii, you'll have many people say that the correct spelling is the exchange of a V for the W, as many Hawaiian words do that (Ewa Beach sounds like EVa Beach and Haleiwa sounds like HaleiVa), but then there are other words (Wahiawa and Waialua) where all the W's are pronounced W. SEEMS TO ME that it's got to do with the fact they have so few letters to work with, they need both to cover so many words.

And since I am still here rambling aimlessly, here IS a good example of disrespect. Once upon a time when I was a cocktail waitress in Nevada, a guy ordered his drink and asked me my name. Teraisa, I said. Thank you, Theresa. I corrected him, it's Teraisa. What's your name? Bill. I leave, bring back drinks, he uses my "name" and I say, you're welcome Will. He says, it's Bill. Same difference I say and leave.

Another time my bad ex, Dean, didn't like that I respect my own name enough to correct it when it's wrong (a doctor called me Theresa for years then learned how to say it and said she was insulted I didn't teach her how to say it right!). A girl would call me Teraisa when she wanted something. When she was a typical mean girl, she'd say "Trace-a." I'd say, It's Ter-AI-sa. This Butthead says is it really that important?

Nooooo. It's not, you are right. If I take out your first vowel, you'd be Dan. Case freaking closed.

Yep, you are so right, people are either disrespectful, grew up with someone else telling them how to say it (right or wrong) and they choose familiar, OR they don't even care. Jerks.

I don't understand. I always thought that you could name your kid XlpeeeeNghtoyrsslmv and say it's Chris and it's Chris?

Ha, ha, sorry for taking your time and thank you for letting me talk.

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Grrrr that Schwarzkopf is irritating LOL. Reminds me of the mean girl...

Anyway, the reason I brought up my name or Hawaii is because those are both an American and an American state... and they cannot even agree on their own pronunciations!

I found this about the pronunciation of Hawaii-an excellent paper. The paragraph made me think of what thebricks said: Unfortunately, the Hawaiian language has also become a political issue, and proprietary claims may be made about its pronunciation. The pronunciation /havai`i/ may be used, not really as an affectation or to claim superior knowledge of the Hawaiian language, but to contradict most local and Mainland usage of /hawai`i/ as a political act of identity and control -- as when modern Greeks stoutly maintain that Classical Greek was pronounced exactly the same as Modern Greek; "we should know" -- as though they are 2500 years old and can remember (and when the pronunciation of no language stays the same very long). This is a disturbing and unfortunate development but is of a piece with Mainland politics of ethnic identity and proprietary control over language. Political militancy does not sound like the aloha spirit, but I don't doubt that the use of /havai'i/ may be increasing for that kind of reason.




BTW, how many Americans are here? I was happily surprised everyone took this OP seriously. Good point. Now, how do we get movie directors to read this and think to make sure they do not butcher the names and create additional mockery of the USA.

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LOL, funny stories, but I have to admit I didn't follow along with everything.

Not going to find too many of the ignorant types on here. I ran into some idiot trying to convince me that people in Iraq call it by another name, therefore, it wasn't offensive to mispronounce the name. Real idiot.

I found a clip of Saddam Hussein pronouncing "Iraq" the way I told him it should be pronounced and showed him the link. He never responded again, probably skulked off humiliated. He kept pestering and pestering me about it too, but that seems to be typical among a lot of the wackos on internet boards.

I can't stand it when people are uneducated but arrogant. What's worse are all the other uneducated people who gang up on you and declare the idiot in the argument is right. It's sad.

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I rack my brain and still can't find the significance in how a country's name is pronounced in foreign languages.

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different countries' names are pronounced differently in different languages, and even in different dialects, just like there are pronunciation, spelling, and emphasis differences between American, British, and Australian English.

In cases like "Mexico", an "x" is pronounced differently in English than Spanish, so the word is pronounced differently.

In some cases, the entire word is different. For example, Morocco=English, Marruecos=Spanish, Maroc=french, and al Maghreb=Arabic. Do you know what Egypt is called in Arabic? Misr. And Egyptians call themselves Misri.

Al EE-raa'q might be how it is pronounced in Arabic, but in English, and especially in American pronunciation, I-rack is the way people say it, so that is proper American pronunciation.

So unless you're saying every country the way the locals of that country pronounce it, your point is invalid (MeHico, Misr, Espana, Deutschland, Sverige (sweden), Suomi (Finland), etc)

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Go and look up Norman Schwarzkopf videos from 1991, and you will hear him pronouncing it correctly. You tried to look smart, but you're a fool. Go away.

Saddam Hussein in Youtube videos also pronounces it correctly.

Go away again.

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And your mom should show you how to choke cock properly

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