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'History Channel' more like the 'Red-neck Channel'


I am a fan of history and really enjoyed the History Channel, back when there was actually history on the Channel. Ove the last few years I've watched their programming move away from serious history to silly sudo-history reality TV shows like Ice Road Truckers, Ax Men, American Pickers, Pawn Stars and the Swamp People.

Besides having very little do with history (Pawn Stars and American Pickers are really pushing it) what does all these show have in common? They are all programs geared to entertain red-necks. And now they finally decide to do a mini-series (which I've been surprised they haven't done before) and what is the subject matter they pick to do it on? The Hatfields and McCoys. Well, at least it's history, but I'm trying to think what story they will do their next mini-series on. Bootlegging and the creation of Nascar?


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I certainly agree that the History Channel's content has been lacking, but I really enjoyed this miniseries. First of all, I consider the feud to be an important historical story. As a Southerner, or 'redneck' in the vernacular, I appreciated the depiction of the horrors of the Civil War's polarizing aftermath. The choice to have McCoy seem slightly unstable after returning from a Union prison camp (which, by the way, were horrible. Point Lookout basically was a death camp) and the following deterioration of the families as the feud escalates, depicts the desperation that pervaded through the South after the war. Reconstruction ravaged the Southern states (already ravaged by an unneccessary war bungled by the government) and left many people with nothing.

Also as an Anglo-Saxon enthusiast I enjoy watching the trends in different cultural groups. Most of the Southern states were populated with heavily Scottish, Scandinavian and Saxon descendents, and so to look at the clan cultures of these civilizations and then to look at this feud really shows how history repeats itself. Human nature is nuts.

So while I agree that History Channel should ditch some of those Trucker shows, I thought this was a step up. And no...not only rednecks like this stuff. Some of us are rednecks by birth, but we like to call ourselves 'Southern gentlemen and ladies.'

(I know when you say redneck you don't mean all Southerners...but you get my point. We like to hear about OUR history every once in a while - outside the school textbooks)

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Here, here.

I'm another born and bred Southerner that possesses both a love of history--and all her original teeth--and that laments the downhill slide of both The History Channel and A&E.

I hope this show marks a trend--better a well-done mini-series now and again than another "Pawn Stars" or "Mountain Men."

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You're right! We need a miniseries about the arrogant, condescending, East and West Coast liberal urban sophisticates who are now tearing down everything that rednecks built over the past two centuries.

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I don't see any evidence of East/West Coast liberal sophistos doing any of that.



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It's not even about the content on the station being "red-neck" but more the fact that there are reality TV shows. Absolute crappiest kind of TV.

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I'm a southern, conservative, Christian, gun loving, beer drinking, simple life living, country music listening, camo wearing, backwoods raised redneck. I highly enjoy these programs mentioned as well as other history programming. Whether they are catering to "my kind" or not makes me no difference. If the show entertains me, I watch it. I'm sorry that our lifestyle & interests are too "low brow" for the uppity intellectual folk. But oh well, we are who we are and America would fail without us.

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It's called the HISTORY CHANNEL... I never made a comment on the quailty of the programming. Some of them are okay, some of them were interesting for about one episode, but almost none of them have much to do with history. My point being - when I turned to a station called The History Channel I expect more history than two guys rummaging through other people's trash hoping to find something they can sell. I personal don't care what you find entertaining. I just wish you were able to watch a bunch of toothless guys shooting alligators on another channel - perferably, a channel that is NOT called the history channel.



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I think the History Channel should go ahead and change it's name as it is obvious to anyone that has watched the History Channel over the last several years that history does not live there anymore. It is long gone and not likely to ever come back. I think that "The Redneck Channel" would be as good a new name as any.

If the History Channel were to change its name and and not mention "History" in its new name, would that make any difference to you and others that do not like the programs that are being broadcast? Is your concern that they are using a channel name that is not indicative of their programming?
Or, is it that they used to broadcast programs that actually were history and now they don't.


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k... I know I want to gouge my eyes out right now before saying this.. but I think this is the second time I have agreed with you... I don't know how Doctor will answer... but what you said is what I've been saying all along...

Yes... since you are no longer in the "History" business.. change the name... the channel has lost it's "Brand" no use keeping the name.... Heinz doesn't bottle Hellmans mayonaise and lable it Heinz ketchup... don't put a plate of dog do-do in front of us and tell us it's steak and expect us to say pass the steak sauce...

I am also concerned that the channel that my tuner was glued to has become the cesspool it has... and like I have stated numerous time.. the channel is a disgrace to the word "History"... and changing the name would save them money in not having to come up with catchy slogans like "History made every day".

Doctor... well said...thank you. Also k... you are right... "History" is long gone and most likely will never come back... even if it did... as a member of the former faithful old foggey core audience... I feel betrayed by the channel.. and would not come back.... don't know how the others feel, but I don't think many of them would come back either....

"I don't argue with idiots, they bring me down to their level and beat me with experience"

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Hello Ltrazordaddio. I was hoping for a reply from the Doc and I hope he will reply. Meantime, your reply makes sense. Thanks for your explanation. I have been a long time fan of the History Channel and still am. I love history of all kinds and all eras.

Where we differ is that when the History Channel changed on us, I looked to other sources to get my TV history fix. The National Geographic Channel is sometimes good as is H2. The Military Channel often has programs that are good for war history. PBS and other channels occasionally present historical programming.

I also enjoy reading history books and visit my local public library often. It is amazing the amount of books there are that have been written on all eras of history. I can spend all afternoon just browsing and finding something that interests me.

The History Channel is what it is. I did not feel betrayed. I've moved on in my quest for history. I only watch it now for the entertainment it provides as I guess some of the programs are my cup of tea too. The USA is made up of people from many different backgrounds. Many like the current programming, many don't.

It has always puzzled me why those that no longer like the History Channel and feel betrayed, attack the programs and the people that watch them rather than attacking the root cause of their angst which is the History Channel itself. I'm guessing that these boards provide a venue to vent. I didn't go that route. Changing the name of the History Channel would probably not satisfy the folks that feel betrayed.

For me, history is where you find it. If you are truly interested in history and willing to get up from the couch, it is out there. Don't be a victim. Seek and Ye shall find!

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Your country will fail harder without the uppity intellectual folks who are still holding up the dumbness infested structure.

A big enough hammer can usually fix anything.

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Two different things are being discussed that are separate from each other.

The reality shows that are throwing the History Channel's reputation downward is a "reality" of the entertainment industry. Reality shows are cheap and can get a niche audience. I don't like it either but Pawn Stars, Kardashians, Deadliest Catch, American Idol, and Jersey Shore are all part of the new age of entertaining cheaply. Some are watchable, most are not. Sure, we wish History was better than this but it didn't turn out that way.

The Hatfields and McCoys, by nearly all accounts, has some of the finest portrayals of 19th century America that have come along in quite some time. I do not fault the History Channel for airing this. Actually, I applaud them and wish that they could find the budget to do more epic historic stories.

Now, if you are someone that doubts the merits of the Hatfields and McCoys as a story that is important to the fabric of America's history, then you clearly grasp so little about this country that you should not be taken seriously on this message board in the first place.

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Hi comedy... and what the "History-hating" brain surgeons at HISTORY refuse to remember is that THC was a "niche channel", that was watched by people who enjoy "History".... their obligation was to that audience only.. to provide them with the type of programming they prefer.... they kicked the faithful core audience of THC to the curb to cater to the masses... time is over due for a name change... but since Cable TV is slipping into the cesspool of sameness in programming... maybe they should all drop the names and go by numbers

"I don't argue with idiots, they bring me down to their level and beat me with experience"

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You're all bigots

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I agree with most of what you said, with the exception of the "red neck" comments. History Channel used to air quality programming (although some it was flawed), and I used to recommend it to my students. I haven't seen much on it in the past few years that was worth recommending to anyone.

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They've sold out like A&E and TLC. I remember back in the 00's when they did specials on Roman Emperors like Nero for an hour, or a look at each deadly sin. Now it's all crap.

"You're the one who pizza-rolled Tinkerbell." - Sam Winchester

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Snoop... HISTORY is owned by A&E... TLC by DISCOVERY... agreed it's all crap..

"I don't argue with idiots, they bring me down to their level and beat me with experience"

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Sister channels, doesn't surprise me. I can't wait for a reality show on A&E about graverobbing.

"You're the one who pizza-rolled Tinkerbell." - Sam Winchester

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Snoopy.... the graverobbers show may not be that far away... A&E premieres a new gem tonight... BARTER KINGS... about people who trade things... Cable TV is really a bottomless cesspool....

"I don't argue with idiots, they bring me down to their level and beat me with experience"

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masterjedi... I learned that the term red-neck came from labor strikes in, I think, Kentucky from the old History Channel. The strikers would wear red handcerchiefs around their neck as a form of solidarity and the term formed as a term of pride. It's only now that the term is assumed to be perjorative by people like you. How do you know I meant it as an insult?

Ltrazordaddio... Sorry it has taken me so long to get back, I've been busy at work.

I think both aspects of this issue annoys me. Firstly, the fact it's false advertising to call yourself the History Channel, A&E and Mtv without there actually being things on there that qualify... (and for the record I was happy that they actually had a mini-series on it about history) Secondly, I'm not a huge fan of reality TV that occupies the programming now (Most of them I actually found kind of educational while watching the first episode, but after that they are just redundant and pointless. How many times can we watch them shot an alligator?) And finally, I want to learn something. Sure, you can watch other stations and read books from the library. I do both. But most of the times you have to hunt for the good shows on other stations. I use to be able to just go to the channel and quality programming was just there.

A funny story... I almost missed the Hatfields and and McCoys because I automatically went to H2 and couldn't find it. I forgot for a bit that the original History Channel existed because I never go there anymore. H2 is okay but there's a lot of fluff on that channel too.

I think there could be a way for the station to cheaply make shows that masses might want to see without sinking to reality TV. People like "shows". I think people are turned off on the history channel in the past because they never knew what was going to be on. It was kind of random. If they could just have shows that people could rely on -- that they could set they're DVR's to. I'm thinking a show called the Great Debate -- where a panel of historians can get together and debate historical events (like whether we should or shouldn't have gone into Vietnam or whose fault was it that the Roman Empire fell?) Or maybe a show called Controversal History (you probably can figure out what that one would be about.)

Just a few idea I like, bit what do I know. I'm just a (as masterjedi put it) douchebag, uneducated flea who needs to blow a goat :)



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As I watch pretty much nascar I am already somewhat used to the accents but while watching this I kinda got a lil fed up on it in the end, not sure why really as I don't have anything against rednecks, I watch justified too for example, but during this I kinda got annoyed.

Someone think the actors overdid the accent a little?

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