Cause I saw BR on youtube and it was awesome on so many level but I still love the Hunger game series.
shareI think it fine. I saw battle royale and thought it was amazing but I love the hunger games just a bit more. It's a personal preference but you are aloud to have your on opinion
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Both movies gave me a different feeling.
BR gave me gratuitous entertainment with a comic book feel. It was satire, I could distance myself easily from it, and watch it from a bird's eye view so to speak. Each battle with the kids is done so well and remains surprisingly creative throughout the whole movie. There is no build to the BR movie, you are just thrust onto the island and that's pretty much the whole thing.
THG takes to a much more serous tone to me. The humor is only speckled throughout the story. The POV is very close within the characters and the battle is not glorified. Also the arena in THG tends to pit more kids vs. environment in what is shown. You of course, don't get to see every kid die at the hands of another. I enjoyed more of the politics and atmosphere that revolved around the actual Games. It has a certain build to it that climaxes in the games.
Truly original ideas are copied by weak-minded people of lesser talent, what else is new?...
shareNot at all. It's just stupid to obsess over the 'similarities' between the two, and beat a dead horse. (Not saying you do that, at all.)
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I was a fan (very passionately might I add) of Battle Royale and when I first of The Hunger Games trilogy I was slightly put of by the similar content; glad I gave it a shot as I personally prefer it although I do think both use the premise and execute it very well.
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Or maybe it's saying, 'hey, we like that movie.'. But no, it couldn't be that simple, right?
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That is what worries me, I hate it when Hollywood rip off some other country's goods or worst remake them.
shareShouldn't 'Battle Royale 2' always have the same plot as 'Battle Royale 2'? But I'm not surprised you never heard of it before, nobody, and I do mean nobody has ever seen it. It's always the same with these foreign films that are not released in the US, nobody in the US sees them.
shareKeep in mind a lot of people have never heard or even seen Battle Royale. So liking the movies tells hollywood people like the movies. It is that simple.
And let's get real here: original content? With the amount people have created it's almost if not entirely impossible to be completely original. There's only an illusion of originality when enough people have forgotten about material and ideas the new product has borrowed its ideas from.
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- Jane Smiley’s novel A Thousand Acres, a modernized AU (Alternate Universe) retelling of King Lear and winner of the 1992 Pulitzer Prize for Literature. King Lear is itself a hybrid of multiple folk and fairy tales.
- Rodgers & Hammerstein’s Tony-Award-winning South Pacific, which Crossed-over several stories from James Michener’s Tales of the South Pacific and is the only musical to win the Pulitzer Prize that is based on *another* work that also won a Pulitzer.
- Geraldine Brooks’ March, a parallel retelling of Little Women (from the point of view of an off-screen character) and winner of the 2006 Pulitzer Prize for literature.
- Stephen Sondheim’s Sunday In the Park with George, which is half-original fic, half-RPF (real person fiction) based on the artist Georges Seurat, and winner of the 1984 Pulitzer Prize for Drama.
- Michael Chabon, who wrote and published The Final Solution, an unabashed piece of Sherlock Holmes fanfiction set in World War II, 2 years after winning the Pulitzer for Kavalier and Clay.
- Jonathan Larsen’s Rent, winner of the 1996 Pulitzer Prize for Drama, which is an AU fanfic of Puccini’s La Boheme (much like the movie Moulin Rouge, an AU hybrid crossover fanfic of La Boheme and La Traviata). (Puccini’s opera is itself fanfic of Henry Murger’s novel, Scenes de la vie Boheme.)
- John Corigliano, 2001 Pulitzer-Prize winner for Music, who wrote the opera Ghosts of Versailles, a postmodern fantasy RPF/fanfic crossover AU about Pierre Beaumarchais and the characters from his play La Mère coupable.. Those characters were previously fanficced twice over, in two separate operatic masterpieces: Rossini’s The Barber of Seville and Mozart’sMarriage of Figaro, both based on the other 2 Figaro plays by Beaumarchais.
- Amy Lowell, winner of the 1926 Pulitzer Prize for Poetry for her volume What’s O’Clock, whose celebrated poem “The Sisters” not only praises the sisterhood of female poets, but enacts fictional conversations with the poets Sappho, Elizabeth Barret Browning, and Emily Dickinson in a delightful example of poetic RPF.
- Not a Pulitzer, but how about a Nobel? Laureate Jose Saramago’s New Testament RPF, The Gospel According to Jesus Christ.
- How about another? Nobel laureate J.M. Coetzee’s novel Foe, fanfic which uses the narrative of Robin Crusoe to explore issues of power and colonialism.
(full article here: http://bookshop.tumblr.com/post/37075331312)
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Short term, people asking for their money back will hurt the theater but long term, theater profits will rise if they replace the movie with something that will draw in crowds. When we attended, there were only 20 people in the entire theater. So evidently word had spread already. After the four of us walked out, there were only 6 left.
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Well like Suzanne Collins they probably never heard of an obscure Japanese film that was never released in North America. You can't complain about a film you and your entire acquaintance never heard of.
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Because, as it was already stated, it wasn't popular in the US. Very obscure. In my group of friends, they were fans of all things Japanese, manga, anime, etc, etc. And BR was never mentioned once. So it IS possible to have never heard of it.
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Well, the fact that we live on the same planet doesn't mean that we know everything going on around the world.
shareMany 'full blown adults' had never heard about it, before. I hadn't, and I'm nearing 30. Not to mention having hung out with a group of friends in high school and college that were obsessed with all things Japanese. Your personal experiences aren't everyone else's.
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The problem Battle Royale II has, then, is that it focuses on the gore, the comedy, and the brutality, and crucially, minimizes the personal aspect of the film - you won't identify with anybody here in the same way you did with any of the competitors in the first film. And that makes it, in the eyes of a lot of fans, a betrayal. This is not the film people wanted, or expected, because they were (subconsciously, of course) looking at the first film through rose-tinted glasses, remembering it as something a lot more innocent, complex, and high- minded than it really was - in effect people were remembering the book rather than the film, which left out a lot of important detail from Koushon Takami's novel in order to fit in more bloodshed. So a betrayal this is not. What it most certainly is, though, is a very different kind of film.
shareShe could write about the premise because it already existed in older stories. Like stories that are over 2000 years old. The same stories that inspired Takami.
Why do the BR trolls ignore this simple truth, Takami is far from original? He has more old tropes and stereotypes in his book than Collins has. His female characters belong firmly in the old 'virgin' or 'whore' trope his males are either the 'Heroic Knight' or 'Dastardly Villain with an inappropriate interest in the Virgin' trope. He doesn't have a character in anyway like Katniss. I bet he wished he did write one like her though, she is original.
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For the simple reason that to have a society that has the power to enforce this type of control over it's population...that society would have to be to a dystopia. Can you imagine your everyday democracy being able to enforce something like this? This is a simple premise, it takes force to enforce a situation where people's children are ritually slaughtered. A society where the rule of law states that you have to be elected by your population to work in the government is not conducive to this premise. The very first instance we have of this type of premise is the Theseus myth, and that is over 5000 years old.
Now the typical BR fan may not have studied Greek myths but Suzanne Collins must have. Her phrasing in the book proves that. She must also have studied Roman history and Greek history. She knew what to call her characters because she linked them to historical Romans very accurately. Her society is based very much on Ancient Sparta with it's privileged class and it's slave class. She must have studied the Colosseum, her Arena is very close to the Roman Arena with it underground working cells, water control, animal and prisoner storage pens, lifts and tunnels. Takami did not write about a purpose built Arena, he set his story on an evacuated island.
Now I am not denying that the very basic premise of the books is based on a gladiatorial theme and that the combatants are children. The comparisons start to break down after that. Both stories have to have protagonists that the reader wants to win, both novels have to have a visible villain that you can hate. And both novels have to have a world that explains what is happening and a romance is pretty traditional as well. Every single novel written has to have these things, where 'Battle Royale' fails IMO is that it's world is not presented very well. I think this explains why it's fans concentrate on the Battle itself. They have nothing else to fixate on. The society that these students live in is not explained very well, it's pretty much Japanese society today. THG greatest strength is in it's world building. We have a history on page, we have a society on page and it's main villains are real human beings...with faces and personalities. The BR fan has nothing but the battle to fixate on, THG has a very rich world complete with strange fashions and science.
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I've liked Battle Royales (mostly the Original Trilogy) since at least '03. For the longest time I thought of Hunger Games: Catching Fire as being boring. Netflix streaming as a ridiculous amount of Hunger Games movies and TV shows. I've watched all six of the first movies, a few of THG and a number of episodes from the reimagining. It's a lot more entertaining than I originally thought, so it's grown on me.
shareI have no idea of what your are talking about. Takami wrote one 'Battle Royale' novel and Suzanne Collins wrote one novel with the same theme as he used. Netflix streams only the one movie adapted from Collin's work and one the one film that was adapted from Takami's. There are no multiple films from these two very different books.
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Let's not forget that 'Battle Royale' is not even a trilogy.
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Because, as it was already stated, the Hunger Games wasn't popular in the US. Very obscure. In my group of friends, they were fans of all things American, comics, cartoons, etc, etc. And THG was never mentioned once. So it IS possible to have never heard of it.
That's strange, it must have been the rest of the country that put THG on the best selling lists. The list that BR never got near.
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Well the studio's first goal is to make money, and if the fans are happy it's icing on the cake. By doing what they did they hit one bird with two stones.
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