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Deckard is human, here is why...


Deckard is human. (SPOILERS AHEAD) I have no doubt.

There are several strong and less strong indicators for this new film. And I will try and list them here.

In the original movie from 1982 it is ambiguous on some level perhaps, but truly becomes more of a debate in the later cuts and version of it. The one scene that sort of makes the decision for me that he is a human is the incredible beautiful end-scene with Roy Batty. This is beautiful because a human and a replicant at this moment become equals. If this scene is simply between two replicants, much is lost. So, for the sake of art, imo, he has to be human in this first one.

Plus his ponder is not tied to the fact he may not be, but to the fact that there may be no essential difference. Humanity is defined by consciousness and not intentions of a supposed creator. This, I think, is the essence of the story and so therefore he has to be a human just as much as Roy needs to be a replicant.

In the original book by Philip K Dick; “ Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (1968)”, Deckard is human for sure and it is not an issue in that story – but he becomes progressively dehumanized in his work as a Blade Runner. At the same time, the replicants are being perceived as becoming more human to him as the story unfolds. The book is essentially questioning if there is any real difference? The issue is not whether or not he is human, but what it means to be human, and so Deckard being a human is essential for the story to work.

Now in “Blade Runner 2049 (1917) ” there a a few factors that weighs in as well: The rebels want Deckard killed because he may lead Wallace to them. If he was as important as Rachel was, surely, they would not want him killed? If he was a Replicant, then a more logical move would be to get him back in the rebels. He is after all a great soldier. They don’t even consider this. He is now in the attention of Wallace and so he must be killed. They say. From this logic K should be killed too. He had same knowledge (in fact more) and he was hunted for this knowledge too. However, K they consider an ally. Why? Well, because he is a Replicant – why wouldn’t he be. Deckard on the other hand they consider expendable and a risk. Why? Because he is a human.

Wallace too wanted Deckard for what he knew and not for what he was. It seems to me that those characters in the know treated him strictly as human. And this to me is a big tell.

Regarding the point that Wallace plays with him as he is interrogating him: Wallace puts kindle on both sides of the argument, but if he was created for the purpose of procreating with Rachel, as he first plays with…. then lets us take the idea further; why make him a Blade Runner in such a case? Why not just create two replicants and keep them in the dark and see what happens on their downtime. Instead they trained him to sniff out replicants better than most and to even realize Rachel is one, and they give him a job that constantly risks his life. Not logical if he is so special and unique, I think. If he was designed for the higher purpose of breeding, he would have been an accountant. Wallace plays with his mind here because he aim to break him, not to enlighten him.

In the new one we also learn that all the Replicants do not age. Evident as we see pictures of them taken 30 years before, and they have not changed. Also evident in one of the three short films that was issued at the same time as this movie (on youtube). Deckard surely aged. Does this prove he is not human? Well no, because one can argue he was special from the beginning ….but it surely does not support he could be a Replicant either.. All replkants we meet, do not age.

And again, for the sake of art and this magnificent story we are told. Two designed breeders are just not what this whole story is about.

The child between Deckard and Rachel represents the unity of man and machine – I am sure Philip K. Dick would agree.

So here we have it.

* The book says he is human.
* The first movie and its following cuts is ambiguous.
* In the last one, all signs I can see point to him simply being human – more or less in thread with how the book saw him.

Ergo sum, he is human.

Now the real question is; Does their daughter dream of electric sheep?

She has real dreams, we learn for sure as a pivotal part of the story. And she has "electric" fantasies, we see directly form before us when we are introduced to her. The answer: She dream of both.

Rachel is a replicant and Deckard is a human, and their daughter is alive.


.... though, K is dead, baby. K is dead.

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I agree. I also always thought the story simply worked better and seemed more meaningful if Deckard was human. After all, here was Deckard -- a blade runner tasked with hunting down and exterminating replicants -- coming to see the humanity in these synthetic humans and deciding instead to protect Rachael from others who would try to kill her. If he went on to have a romantic relationship with her, it reinforces that still further: he's reached a point where he really doesn't care if she was born or manufactured. Either way she's a sentient being who has value, and is entitled to the same rights as an ordinary human. I think the story works better showing replicants developing emotionally and becoming fully human in ever meaningful sense of the word, and regular humans beginning to realize this.

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Well put.

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Cool post. I guess it could go either way

Replicant
-the whole original BR ambiguity (glowing eyes, unicorn, done a mans job etc)
-K is a replicant (so maybe that's to suggest all blade runners are replicants? But then Gaff is human? or is he?)
-Wallace interrogation as if hes replicant
-Ks visit to Gaff
-luv saying 'bring you home'
-Ridley says he is

Human
-he ages (but some replicants can age)
-feels pain/not superstrong (unlike replicants – but then maybe he isnt made that way)
-he got Rachel pregnant (but then maybe replicants can procreate - which is the fear in this or maybe the fear is humans and replicants can procreate which is just as massive)
-Ford says he's human
-Book says he is
-it just makes more sense he is - human falls in love/runs off with/has child with Replicant that he's supposed to kill (with the hint that he might be a replicant a fun thing in the background- but that only really works if he's human)

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Thanx :)

Well, I think the side of him being human makes the much stronger case to day, and so this is where I will put my chips.

Even in your point listed here. The only thing of those three that could not be used either way, is the word of Scott. And I respect that, had we only had the original and its subsequent cuts. But we have more now, and also other story tellers who are in control now... and so today, I am not so sure even Scott would say this with confidence.

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