Is there anything out there which shows Nazis as the good guys?
Not really looking for a documentary like Triumph of the Will, but more something on the lines of Letters from Iwo Jima.
shareNot really looking for a documentary like Triumph of the Will, but more something on the lines of Letters from Iwo Jima.
shareThere is this one movie about Nazi mountain climbers called "North Face" that is very good.
Another good one is "Downfall" that focuses more on the top Nazi's (Hitler in-particular) in their final days before losing the war. Doesn't really make them out to be "the good guys" but shows not all of the Nazi top brass were evil movie villains. Hitler is still a paranoid power mad *beep* in it, but it paints much of his support staff and his wife in a good light. Goebbels is a real piece of *beep* in it tho as in life.
I know there are 1 or 2 more I have seen but they were probably like sci-fi or something, not very good if I can't remember them.
"Nobody knows anybody, not that well..." - Miller's Crossing
Don't know about "good guys," but the film "Resistance," another alternate history film, is good.
It shows German soldiers occupying areas of the UK during the war, and how they interact with the local population.
Saying how they interact would spoil the plot too much, but it can be said that the German soldiers were not especially enamored of the Nazis or the war they sent them to fight in the UK.
It stars Andrea Riseborough and Tom Wlaschiha.
The Desert Fox or anything else about Irwin Rommel, although he never joined the Nazi Party and ended up in a plot to kill Hitler at the end of his life. As far as something who depicted actual real Nazis who bought into the propaganda in a positive light....I doubt you will find anything.
shareuhm .... no
E!rwin Rommel did not participate in the Walküre-Plot. He had knowledge about it but chose to ignore it and not report it as he should have if he had been a "good" Nazi. There were others who also were approached by Stauffenberg etc and did the same: They did not want to take part in it but also did nothing to hinder them. Rommel felt, as a soldier, it was not his place to mettle in politics, only to do his duty as a soldier and fight.
He was however accused of being part of the plot, and since he knew about it and did not report it, was given the choice to commit suicide and thus protect his family or face charges and have him found guilty (which was certain since German courts at that time were nothing but a bad show) and be hanged (or shot) alongside his family (common practice in the 3rd Reich - called Sippenhaft). So he commited suicide and protected his family.
Das Boot would be an example of what you are looking for.
A World War II movie from the German perspective, but it does not glorify Nazis.
I was born in the house my father built
"Das Boot"
Bingo. Also, I cannot BELIEVE no one has said this yet - Kate Winslet just recently won Golden Globe, the Critic's Choice Award, the Screen Actor's Guild Award, the BAFTA, and the Academy Award, all for Best Actress for "The Reader."
"...Post-WWII Germany: Nearly a decade after his affair with an older woman came to a mysterious end, law student Michael Berg re-encounters his former lover as she defends herself in a war-crime trial..."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0976051/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_14
Its as about as sympathetic look as you will find in American cinama about a full-fledged Nazi party member.
Defender of the weak, and enemy of the weak minded.
You might want to check out Sam Peckinpah's "Cross of Iron" -- you might say it's kind of a Viet Nam war film, but set on the German side of the Russian Front in WW II.
Then there is Tom Cruise's "Valkyrie", about the plot to kill Hitler.
Interestingly enough, there are real historical figures who were high-ranking Nazis who also defied Nazi leadership who would probably make for fascinating films.
SS Obergruppenfuhrer and General Willhelm Bittrich is one -- a successful field commander who brought procedures against subordinates who executed French resistance leaders, pledged his troops to Rommel should a plot against Hitler succeed, resisted even the forced attempt to have his command replaced and refused orders to defend Vienna and pulled his troops out to save the city near the end of the war.
I could see his story being made into a fascinating movie, but I doubt that anyone would have the courage to make a film about a Nazi leader that might place him in a good light.
It's been my understanding that you could group the senior Nazi leadership roughly into two camps -- die-hard Nazis who were dedicated to Hitler and his madness on one side, and then officers who had been brought up in a much more traditional culture of military leadership based on honor and virtue.
The latter thought a lot of the Nazi leaders were morons and idiots and actually did engage in a fair amount of passive resistance to the ideological/racial purity goals of the Nazi party. And of course after the serial disasters and ignored advice from the Russian front you ended up with the plot to kill Hitler.
I think "Cross of Iron" gives a good flavor of this kind of "true soldier" vs. ideologue conflict, which kind of gives it the eerie parallels to the US experience in Viet Nam where real soldiers and military officers were frustrated and appalled by the political machinations that led to so many problems.
Well thanks everyone...it took 5 posts to finally get an answer, as the administrators kept taking this topic down.
shareWhat about "The Young Lions?" Brando as a German soldier with doubts about the war.
shareMost of these movies still show the same thing; Nazis = Evil. There are Civil War movies, Vietnam movies, Korean War movies, American Revolution movies...that show the "enemies" side to things...but I have yet to see one that shows this about Germany in WW2.
shareAnd what exactly is the enemies side of things? The fact is that the Nazi regime, Hitler, the SS, the camps, were evil. The best you can hope for is that the ordinary Germans who were not part of the Nazi movement were not. I think The Young Lions shows that, and there also is "The Book Thief" which, for sure, shows Nazis as evil, but also show the good German people's reaction to that.
I'm curious about what it is you want to see, and why.
I'm wanting to see a film on why Hitler invaded Poland from the Nazis POV. Not from the Hollywood perspective on what they want their audience to think. America won the war so they get to write the history of it; and the history is Hitler invaded Poland to take over land and kill Jews. Whether this is true or not is irrelevant, the fact is Hitler didn't sell it to the German people as such. He sold it as the Polish were killing off Germans and Britain and France wouldn't help...so he invaded to prevent anymore killing of his people.
Something on the lines of this....and no, I do not believe all the Nazi's were evil. No more so than any other party involved in any war ever.
America won the war so they get to write the history of it
Boo-Hoo. Poor misunderstood Hitler. He was just trying to make the world safe for Aryans!
shareIt is important to differentiate between Nazis and Germans. Even by the height of the war years only a small fraction of Germans were actual party members. Members of the Army, including the high command, were usually not Nazis. The SS were all Nazis of course. And some who joined the party only did so after it became impossible to hold certain jobs without joining the party. So it is true that all Nazis were not evil and most Germans were not Nazis, although the war itself was popular to start.
As for why Germany invaded Poland from the German perspective, that is quite clear, they feel they got screwed by the Treaty of Versailles and losing territory to Poland. The war was their way of restoring German pride and honor lost after WWI. Many Germans fought bravely for what they saw as a patriotic cause. Of course behind the front lines of traditional army units were special units of the SS who had the job of killing jews, intellectuals and other undesirable civilians. Those guys were pure evil.
Unfortunately I think most serious historical scholarship which probably gets a close as is possible to the truth supports the idea that the Nazis invaded Poland to reclaim territory lost after the treaty of Versailles and to expand the border of greater Germany. I don't think this is just winner's history propaganda.
What you're asking for comes perilously close to the kinds of propaganda "dramas" that might have been made for public consumption in German movie theaters in the late 1930s through the war.
Something on the lines of this....and no, I do not believe all the Nazi's were evil. No more so than any other party involved in any war ever.
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I'm wanting to see a film on why Hitler invaded Poland from the Nazis POV. Not from the Hollywood perspective on what they want their audience to think. America won the war so they get to write the history of it; and the history is Hitler invaded Poland to take over land and kill Jews. Whether this is true or not is irrelevant, the fact is Hitler didn't sell it to the German people as such. He sold it as the Polish were killing off Germans and Britain and France wouldn't help...so he invaded to prevent anymore killing of his people.
Something on the lines of this....and no, I do not believe all the Nazi's were evil. No more so than any other party involved in any war ever.
Danzig Corridor. If there are no movies it can at least be read about here (non-politically correct version of history of course) -
http://lovkap.blogspot.com/2011/03/who-is-responsible-for-world-war-2-and.html
Danzig in 1937-
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-o8cYKWzI2pA/TbLx2vYf9FI/AAAAAAAAAGs/06HMkLjHPlY/s1600/Danzig1937.jpg
You are correct in that the winners of war write its history. We are only taught and shown half of it for what should be obvious reasons.
I'm wanting to see a film on why Hitler invaded Poland from the Nazis POV
You are correct in that the winners of war write its history.
Take a look at Unsere Mütter, unsere Väter (TV Mini-Series 2013) - IMDb
This depicts young Germans during WWII from their viewpoint. Interesting show. The series is in German with English subtitles.
Hmmm...only 3 episodes? I'll check it out.....Downloading now!
shareIt was a mini series in Germany that created some controversy at the time of its release. I found it to be an engaging, unusual depiction. Hope you find it interesting.
shareIs Paris Burning? (1966) General played by Gert Frobe(Goldfinger), ignores order from high command to obliterate Paris before Allied capture. In real life, Frobe actually aided Jews while belonging to the Nazi party.
Kelly's Heroes (1970) German tank driver Karl-Otto Alberty assists comedically in American gold heist.
The Tin Drum (1979)
The Odessa Files (1973)
The Night of the Generals (1967) Omar Sharif tries to expose serial killer general Peter O'Toole.
The Night Porter (1974) Concentration camp official Dirk Bogarde falls in love with Jewish internee Charlotte Rampling.
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I know!! There were other positive things about Hitler and the Nazi regime, that never ever get any kind of recognition. These facts are never revealed or taught as history as the New World Order do not want to glorify anything except themselves in regard to WW2. Hitler may have had grandiose ambitions, but he certainly had balls, and puts the current world leaders look like a bunch of dummies. Hitler wouldnt have put up with ISIS, they would have been to scared to even mutter Allah Akbar!
Stop bagging Hitler just because he wanted to rule the world, it took a bunch of coalition to beat him, there was more to this part of history that meets the eye
Find what you love and let it kill you.
Another Nazi apologist...the worst scum of the Earth.
shareGood guys - no, because they weren't and can't be the good guys. What most people don't get (even though I think it is made very clear by the fear of the Japanese in the series) is that Fashism is absolute by its nature. There is no stopping, there is no relief until the final solution is achieved. The worldwide Nazi empire and then some. That absolute claim of supremacy puts any non-arian in a cast-like system of servitude to the Reich. Everyone is inferior - except Germans. An interesting thing to mention here is that Plato once wrote: all men are equal, except for slaves and women. Even the greatest minds can be distracted by their education and norms around them. If you grew up in a Nazi empire you would learn little about compassion or forgiveness.
Interestingly, much of today's society behaves in that way toward each other. So in a way the Nazi-ideology permeates modern efficient work ethics. Harry Truman once wrote: A society will be judged by the way it treats its weakest members.
I can recommend another book to you: Mephisto by Klaus Mann (son of Thomas Mann). Even though the book is about an actor in the Nazi Reich, it has always been the most poingnant and devastating picture of how fashism corrupts people. It has some appeal, because we all like to think we would thrive in such an empire. But we wouldn't. We would put an end to liberty, free thought, artistic freedom and love. That's why we have to fight fashism, no matter if it calls itself ISIS or Tausendjähriges Reich. If you couldn't tell by now - I'm German. And while I'm too young to be responsible for the sins of my grandparent's generation, I am wise enough to know it must never be repeated.
"Good guys" is a matter of perspective.
One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist and so on.
Then you have the *victors* who often lie endlesly about what really happened.
In the end do you really know the truth?