Jenna is sucha horrible person - Wilfred (2011) Discussion

[–] Shred_Master 10 years ago

Sadly though, it was a perfect example of how women work. They say they want a nice guy, in walks nice guy. She tells nice guy what she wants out of the relationship. Nice guy complies because he wants to make her happy. But she doesn't have a clue what that really is. She gets bored of nice guy because he's safe, routine and there are no surprises. In walks ultimate douche. Nice guy cannot for the life of him see what she sees in him. She can't tell him either but in the end, she goes with the douche because that's what she's used to.

...human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together...mass hysteria!

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[–] casaresanto 10 years ago

I don't know if I would call Drew a douche... Jenna's the crappy one, from my understanding Drew didn't know they were dating, even if he did he didn't own Ryan anything. Ryan did screw up his marriage along with Jenna (she's more to blame since she's the one in the relationship). I think Drew is a nice guy, even if I found him douchy at first.

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[–] Shred_Master 10 years ago

I wasn't saying Drew did anything wrong by Jenna and Ryan. But let's face it, he was a major douche. The way he acted, talked and his whole demeanor was that of someone I'd just love to punch the heck out of.

...human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together...mass hysteria!

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[–] steffeeric 10 years ago

The Ping Pong episode pretty much painted Drew as Dean of the Douches. He is working on it though.

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[–] king_of_bob 8 years ago

He's competitive, but what did he EVER do to suggest he's a douche? It seems you just have a negative view of jocks. Because Drew was an incredibly nice guy when he wasn't competing.

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[–] king_of_bob 8 years ago

Drew is a jock, which to some people means he's a douche. But if one pays attention, he's actually a super kind individual. He's macho and kind of dumb, but he can't help that. He never does anything to anybody out of a desire to cause harm.

Ryan actively tried to ruin their relationship several times. It's weird how people can vilify Drew but refuse to see Ryan's own negative actions. But I guess that's due to the fact that Ryan is the main character.

The thing is, the show was about Ryan's quest for true happiness. But he never could have had that with Jenna, because the woman Ryan loved was an idea of Jenna. He loved an idea of a person who did not actually exist. He never could have found happiness in that relationship.

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[–] KingJohnTX 10 years ago

Alpha fux, beta bux, only in movies do the "nerdy best friends" get the girl in the end, as soon as Drew came back into the picture I knew it was over for Ryan.

"And it made me wonder, would I do the same? What would I sacrifice to be loved? Not my balls."

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[–] king_of_bob 8 years ago

That's not even close to the point. I don't see how nobody seems to get this. Ryan didn't love Jenna. Ryan was in love with an idea of Jenna that he created in his own mind. What he loved about her was all on the surface.

Hell, she even admitted that she used him earlier in the series and he still stuck around.

The show is about Ryan trying to find real happiness. The problem people are having here is in thinking that being with Jenna would have led to real happiness. It wouldn't and never could. Because Ryan was in love with a person who never existed. The Jenna he was in love with was a Jenna he invented in his mind, not the real woman who lived next door. Note that he knew NOTHING about her before the show began. He didn't even know Drew was in the picture.

He never loved Jenna. He loved the concept of Jenna he held in his mind. The person in real life didn't live up to the ideal he imagined. It isn't her fault he became obsessed with an idea of a woman who didn't exist.

Ryan never had a real shot. He allowed himself to believe otherwise and that finally being with Jenna would bring him true happiness. But that wouldn't have brought him happiness.

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[–] lola_mento 10 years ago

Drew was a nice guy. But I get what you're saying. Although it can come off as a bit misogynistic.

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[–] tremain-3 10 years ago

This is actually more of an example of how so called "nice guys" work. There is nothing at all nice about Frodo, he is literally insane.

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[–] another242 10 years ago

It's how some women work, hopefully not all. But having gone through something similar, I share your sentiments.

No I didn't have a giant imaginary dog-person following me around. I did almost get involved with a girl who was unhappy in her marriage, feeling overlooked and unappreciated, like she couldn't be herself around him. Supposedly I was all the things that her husband wasn't, and she started looking into how to get out of the marriage. She even talked about which of their mutual friends were "hers" versus "his", and which of them would get the dog.

Then suddenly it was over, she decided to stay with him despite being unhappy. Watching Ryan tell Jenna exactly what she deserved to hear was kinda cathartic, since I never got that chance at closure.

Plus I kinda like the bittersweet ending, Ryan getting Jenna would have been unnatural and too happy.

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[–] PrimeMinisterOfTheSinister 10 years ago

It's how some women work, hopefully not all.

No, it's how they all are. Every last one of them. They are all selfish and self-centered and have a complete and utter disregard for the feelings of the people around them and are totally clueless about how their actions affect other people. They don't think. They feel. They run on emotions, not logic. They think nothing of the Future or the Past. They live right now and the future repercussions of present actions never enter their minds. They manipulate to get what they want because that's how they get what they want. This isn't a learned behavior. It's genetic. I've seen little girls as young as two years old put on a cute little face and flutter their eyelashes to their dads or uncles or whatever to get something they want. They are liars born. Their brains are adapted to it. They have a higher concentration of white brain cells in their frontal lobes than males do and that gives them the ability to lie without feeling guilt or remorse. This is because women are more social than men and because they can't survive in the wild on their own, they had to be able to lie and keep the members of the tribe happy so they didn't get ostracized and left out in the wild to die. In short, they are genetically engineered to be lying, selfish, manipulative harpies.

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[–] jrosekonungrinn 9 years ago

Jesus man, you need to see a psychiatrist about your delusions about women. That's scary unhealthy.

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[–] bluemcblueface 9 years ago

You okay their buddy?

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[–] sweetmidori 9 years ago

Lol sounds like someone got dumped.

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[–] magicmtn 8 years ago

No, it's how they all are. Every last one of them. They are all selfish and self-centered and have a complete and utter disregard for the feelings of the people around them and are totally clueless about how their actions affect other people. They don't think. They feel. They run on emotions, not logic. They think nothing of the Future or the Past. They live right now and the future repercussions of present actions never enter their minds. They manipulate to get what they want because that's how they get what they want. This isn't a learned behavior. It's genetic. I've seen little girls as young as two years old put on a cute little face and flutter their eyelashes to their dads or uncles or whatever to get something they want. They are liars born. Their brains are adapted to it. They have a higher concentration of white brain cells in their frontal lobes than males do and that gives them the ability to lie without feeling guilt or remorse. This is because women are more social than men and because they can't survive in the wild on their own, they had to be able to lie and keep the members of the tribe happy so they didn't get ostracized and left out in the wild to die. In short, they are genetically engineered to be lying, selfish, manipulative harpies.

so what's it like being a member of MGTOW and the red pill anyways ? lonely ?

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[–] king_of_bob 8 years ago

I did almost get involved with a girl who was unhappy in her marriage, feeling overlooked and unappreciated, like she couldn't be herself around him. Supposedly I was all the things that her husband wasn't, and she started looking into how to get out of the marriage.

In which case, you're the bad guy. "The Other Man" isn't some noble position to be in. You were contributing to their marital problems by allowing her to see you that way.

Then suddenly it was over, she decided to stay with him despite being unhappy. Watching Ryan tell Jenna exactly what she deserved to hear was kinda cathartic, since I never got that chance at closure.

It's a relationship and in any relationship worth having, it takes work. She was happy with Drew. She wasn't happy with the distance between them. The fact that she was happy with Drew is shown in the final episode when they're at the table talking and she laughs for the first time since Wilfred died. He wasn't making her laugh to distract her from the pain, she happened to laugh because she was happy for the first time since Wilfred died.

Jenna was wrong for sleeping with Ryan, not for choosing to stay with Drew. Ryan was wrong for assuming Jenna should live up to his ideal of her that he made up in his own mind.

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[–] king_of_bob 8 years ago

Sadly though, it was a perfect example of how women work.

No, it's how some PEOPLE are. It isn't just a man or a woman thing. Good job generalizing an entire gender though.

They say they want a nice guy, in walks nice guy.

She already HAD a nice guy. Drew was a good dude, he was just overly competitive and kind of stupid. But he was always SUPER nice to Ryan and everyone else. Also, being a "nice guy" doesn't mean a girl owes you anything.

In walks ultimate douche.

Are you talking about Drew? Because he most certainly was not the ultimate douche. He was a really nice guy. In the end it came down to a choice between two nice guys, one of which she was already married to.

You're looking at all this from Ryan's perspective. Really, if anyone was the douche here, it was Ryan for trying to split them up. Putting his own wants and desires above the woman he claims to love, but that is not love.

The way it worked out hurts Ryan, but in the long run it's for the best. He was in love with his conception of Jenna, not the actual character.

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[–] drmokedweed123 8 years ago

Sadly though, it was a perfect example of how women work. They say they want a nice guy, in walks nice guy. She tells nice guy what she wants out of the relationship. Nice guy complies because he wants to make her happy. But she doesn't have a clue what that really is. She gets bored of nice guy because he's safe, routine and there are no surprises. In walks ultimate douche. Nice guy cannot for the life of him see what she sees in him. She can't tell him either but in the end, she goes with the douche because that's what she's used to.

It doesn't really matter because in the end the woman gets screwed. They'd get screwed even harder if they couldn't rely on their gender to get by. A woman can be an epic failure in life, have a god awful career, not be intelligent, have many personality flaws but still end up marrying way up and getting taken care of by men.

That said it normally always comes back biting them. They ignore decent guys, get married to someone, pop out a few kids then realize the safe, predictable guy was a much better choice. Things go wrong and now you have a girl that's 35 with kids. She's already downhill with baggage and then she wonders why no guys want her while telling her friends "men are such dicks, where's the decent ones at?" and the answer to that question is, you ignored the decent ones to date a guy that knocked you up and split leaving you with no child support. Since you're already past your prime look wise, body is destroyed with a kid you're no longer appealing to the guys you ignored.

Seems how it generally works. My big ass family is mostly female dominant. Seen things happen with my cousins, aunts,etc.

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[–] ryansassy1 10 years ago

Jenna is screwed up, I didn't like her. All things considered however, I don't believe she did it deliberately, but that she is driven subconsciously to act out her problems with other people. Like all of us, one way or another.

In the end, she was too weak emotionally to work through her problems and make the right choices.

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[–] king_of_bob 8 years ago

She did make the right choice, in the end. The wrong choice was choosing to sleep with Ryan. Choosing to be with Drew was the right choice for her, even if it didn't line up with what Ryan thought she should have chosen.

Besides, anyone who thinks Ryan would have finally found happiness if he had actually been with Jenna were not paying attention. The person Ryan loved and who Jenna really were, were two entirely different people. Ryan never loved the real Jenna. He loved some idea of Jenna he made up in his own mind.

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[–] cyrodiil-champion 10 years ago

I'm sure Jenna would have been way happier with Ryan who shock-collars himself for funsies.

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[–] maryj482 10 years ago

I don't think she is horrible, just kind of shallow and weak. Remember Ryan was never really honest with her and always took on a sort of nicey-nice doormat character around her. I think their break-up scene was the only time they were really real with each other.

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[–] MisterBabadook 10 years ago

I gotta say i did enjoy Ryan finally standing up for himself and telling her off rather than being a doormat and walking away and being a nice guy about it.

Thats what i love about these high school girls, i get older they stay the same age.

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[–] king_of_bob 8 years ago

Which was a bigger step on his journey to real happiness than actually having a relationship with Jenna would have been. There's a lot more going on here than people seem willing to see.

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[–] celluloid_devil 10 years ago

they both were dishonest and weak. Almost right for each other but Ryan wasnt working for her even though she had a soft spot for him.

Maybe Drews 'horse cock' (as Wilfred states) sustained her while Ryan probably couldnt compete lol

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[–] dimsum73-1 10 years ago

No more squishy tit$.

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[–] jumpmastertriplel 10 years ago

I was about to write this.

Jenna was horrible all over.

I thought for sure Ryan was going to go: ' don't ever call me if you need someone to watch THIS dog!' She used him time and again when it was convenient. She was an awful person to both Ryan and her boyfriend/husband.

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[–] king_of_bob 8 years ago

Ryan wasn't exactly a great person. He was constantly trying to manipulate both Jenna and her relationship to his own ends. Yes she used him, but he actively tried to sabotage her relationship.

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[–] dootmoot 10 years ago

It was a sour note for sure to see her act like such an ungrateful, manipulative and selfish b****. I'm not saying she had to have sex with Ryan x amount of times, but she completely used him and the way she acted by "wanting alone time," when in reality she was canoodling with Drew behind Ryan's back and planning to move to Wisconsin. She wasn't even at the office when Wilfred was put down! It was all just so classless.

And I don't buy that she didn't know from day 1 that he was into her, as Ryan would never have volunteered to basically be Wilfred's adoptive owner, except for when she would be mad at him, in which case she'd punish Ryan for misbehaving by taking away Wilfred. When Drew left, Ryan was her consolation prize to make herself feel better, completely uncaring about what it meant to HIM. When he said he loved her, she said it right back, and that was a complete sham. She liked having someone who would be at her beck and call.

As for Drew, he's a douche because he knew the score as well. The neighbor wouldn't be making googly eyes at his fiance/wife/gf while spending all his time taking care of *her* dog and doing all sorts of favors unless he wanted to date her. I used to know a guy like Ryan who wanted to date my friend's GF, and she played that guy like a fiddle just to get him to buy her things, give her money, pull favors, etc. My buddy didn't mind it at all, because he, his gf, and I would all have a good laugh at how pathetic this "Ryan" character was and how he was being played for a fool. It was mean, but that stuff happens all the time. THAT is why Drew is a douche (I get that that means I'm douche-y too, but I accept it).

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[–] jumpmastertriplel 10 years ago

I also thought the writers failed in that obviously Jenna never shared with Drew her affair with Ryan. He wouldn't have been all pal-bro hurt when Ryan ignored him in their last scene. He would have wanted to beat the snot out of him, not be all paly -wally accepting. A good denouement would have been in the end credits showing Jenna doing the same 'dump your dog on me' thing with puppy number 2 to another sap in Sheboygan Wisconsin.

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[–] Frank_Grimes_Sr 10 years ago

How's it a failure? Who says they wanted to/were going to?

It fits in with Jenna's character, if you think about it. Why would she tell him about her short affair with Ryan? Especially if she was trying to get back with him? You really think she'd risk it all?

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[–] king_of_bob 8 years ago

If that's how you think Drew would have reacted you were not paying attention to his character. He's stupid and competitive, but he's also deeply emotional. He wouldn't have even thought to hurt Ryan, because Ryan is his friend. He would be emotionally devastated, but he would never attack Ryan for any reason.

This is your failure as a viewer for failing to understand the characters after watching them for 4 seasons.

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[–] luigitornado 10 years ago

Whatever. She's stuck with cheater...well Jenna is a cheater too.

I'm conflicted. I actually liked Drew.

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[–] king_of_bob 8 years ago

What are you talking about? Drew never cheated on Jenna.

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[–] luigitornado 8 years ago

Yeah he did, with that frumpy chick that was living with Ryan for a little bit.

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[–] nhnolan 8 years ago

Wilfred hinted at that, but they dropped that plot thread, so there's really no proof of it.

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