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The Point Of This Movie?


What's the point? To describe the life of J. Edgar Hoover and how he helped shape the FBI? That was done in the first hour.

Not enough to make a film. Sorry Eastwood. This sucked.

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That's what most biographic movies are like. What did you expect? DiCaprio starred in many movies of this genre. Did 'The Aviator' or 'The Wolf of Wall Street' not bother you? The point is always to bring to the viewers a distinct side of the story they already know. For instance, I had no idea that the founder of the FBI was a queer and that he stood by the organization until he died before I saw this movie.

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What's the point? To describe the life of J. Edgar Hoover and how he helped shape the FBI? That was done in the first hour.


Well then evidently that wasn't the point was it. Try again, Mr Thicky.


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They showed Clyde denying many of Hoover's PR. For example, Karpis died abroad by an accidental overdose.

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I agree after the first 40 minutes, there was no point. Just dragged on and on. Like Gangs of NY and Wolf of Wall Street.

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it makes you think about how a person is shaped/how they shape others

Hoover had to remain deeply in the closet in that era in order to keep his government job while he persecuted others for their sexual habits (like Eleanor Roosevelt and MLK among many others).

Would Hoover have been a happier, nicer and not nearly as vindictive a person if he could have instead been open with himself and others? But then again alternatively he would not have been hoover as we and others now remember him. So there is the catch 22.

He is remembered precisely because he was ruthless/he had to be 'tough' in order to get ahead in an era when it was very hard for people like him. Even his mom was critical of his sexuality.

Tolson never got anywhere except as Hoover's boyfriend--and there is a reason for that. he is the nice one. I'm sure that he would have been pole dancing if it were legal back then.

I myself am a heterosexual woman but I have multiple hidden disabilities. My parents made fun of me for them. So I partially empathize with Hoover (yes) . In order to 'succeed' you have to make difficult sacrifices vs waiting for other people to give you things. And the world is very rough for the vulnerable. We don't fit in unless we hide the 'different' parts of ourselves.

Does this mean though walk over others--no and this is where the movie does show Hoover messing up and repeatedly. Because he is smart, he knows that he is messing up and it does impact his relaitionships--with Clyde and even with Miss Gandy. He's visibly torn between wanting them and wanting absolute control over people/their private lives.

It would have been easier only just to show him as 'mean' to everybody and every thing. and leave it at that. Eastwood did not at all have to make Hoover into anything remotely resembling a human being. I hate what he did re records. But I did feel for him in the scenes where he is upset and clearly conflicted.

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This film is very unique as it portrays him different. Not as closeted but someone who is unsure. I do find it very offensive that they would choose dicaprio to play J Edgar who dont look the same and looks kinda fat. Whereas it’s Leo and thin.

I didnt find it so much as hiding their weaknesses as it clearly shows many who have them throughout the film. Including Edgar himself. I think it’s more of obsessive compulsion indoctrinated by his upbringing to be the best at whatever cost even if you weren’t it. I think Leo’s portrayal over amplified the man.

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