If the Kardashians/Jenners were so bad they wouldn't be so successful
Success = quality/good. It is that simple.
sharei've gained a lot of respect for kim.
her interview with bari weiss was really interesting, & i thought she came across incredibly well. what she's doing in criminal justice is really impressive.
if people listened to that interview, they might be as impressed as i was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb2AUKOqQUE
she's not really impressive in any way. she used bunch of money she already had and became relevant first by a sex tape then by selling an image of unrealistic expectations to girls. and her legal endeavours are just using this an another PR stunt. if her follower or internet interest numbers come low, she just picks some easy low hanging fruit and makes a big stink. Instant national PR, instant traffic, rinse and repeat.
She's unremarkable in every way other than showing how people will pay for petty manufactured "reality" tv dramas. and just how messed up and collaborative "beauty culture media" is willing to play ball with her and promote unrealistic expectations and edit her photos. Have you seen her real non edited public photos? she's disgusting
she passed the 'baby bar' exam. i couldn't do that.
she's doing actual work and getting results.
that deserves respect.
maybe her motivations are backwards. i can't see into her heart.
neither can you. so i think you perhaps should cool it on suggesting you know why she's doing what she's doing.
whatever the motivation, ultimately results and consequences matter.
motivations matter too, of course. but ultimately the results are what are critical in a utilitarian sense.
that interview was the first introduction i had to her, and as a first introduction to someone, it was incredibly impressive.
i recommend it to everyone. maybe i'm easily impressed! i don't think so, but i can be fooled, i suppose. i'd encourage people to listen to the link i provided and judge for yourself.
she passed the 'baby bar' exam. i couldn't do that.
she's doing actual work and getting results.
that deserves respect.
Don't sell yourself short, if you too were able afford the best of the best tutors for months and months coming up to it I believe 90% of people could (minus extremely low intelligence outliers, aka the 10% on the bell curve). whoopee doo.just more privilege that 99% of people don't have. On top of that, while other people would be raising their kids, cleaning their house, cooking everyone in the house 3 meals a day ect. Not saying she doesn't work, but please take away all her servants, and give her 3 minimum wage jobs working 50 hours a week while looking after kids and lets see how well she does on that exam
she has maids, she has people to watch her kids, she has personal cooks, she has cleaners, she has a personal driver. its completely unremarkable that someone who doesn't have to do hours and hours and hours and hours of stuff average normal people do may have yet another advantage.
She also failed it THREE TIMES before that. Her passing the baby bar is totally unremarkable and not impressive.and again given her wealth and connections she will have all the opportunities to apprentice at a prestigious always firm that you wouldn't. This stunt gives her just enough of a foot in the door to act as a launching board to continue doing herd "lawyer dressed PR game"
maybe her motivations are backwards. i can't see into her heart.
neither can you. so i think you perhaps should cool it on suggesting you know why she's doing what she's doing.
based on everything we have seen, and her entire career being built on drama/PR, its a very safe assumption say this is too. Almost all her public acts have been to this end. its the logical conclusion and explanation to describe what and why she does things. she has done this as a pattern her entire life. if anything you would have to prove this isn't the reason or more fairly, that there is a better explanation for it.
whatever the motivation, ultimately results and consequences matter.
motivations matter too, of course. but ultimately the results are what are critical in a utilitarian sense.
yes only if you re a pure Utilitarian, which honestly who is? even most utilitarians combine it with other Phil;osophies because it leads to so many problems.
and again whoopdee doo. she gets PR, the US system remains incredibly broken, nothing changed. Shes a hero why? because the modern day aristocracy wrote the king (president) and leniency was shown to 3 serfs? the fact anyone worships her for this is disgusting
look at that!
https://www.refinery29.com/en-ca/2020/04/9656868/kim-kardashian-prison-reform-people-support-history
"The new documentary details how Kardashian West first started her quest to become a lawyer, and who she’s helped in her effort to change the criminal justice system so far."
Wow she even has to cash in on what she did and say "look how great I am! I am so amazing"
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10370744/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_cl_sm
she produced it herself. EVERYTHING is about cashing in on image and ego and pr
i recommend it to everyone. maybe i'm easily impressed! i don't think so, but i can be fooled, i suppose. i'd encourage people to listen to the link i provided and judge for yourself.
you were easily fooled when you said you didnt think Kim, a lady whose entire career is owed to fake controversy and PR, and this has been her entire modus operandi and almost every single action she has done. and you say "nahhh I don't think so! we cant read her mind we don't know!"
you got duped by the kardashin machine! you fell hook line and sinker for their newest PR/branding plan... its her nature. its like asking why a dog barks, its the dogs nature. why is Kim a self absorbed Pr queen chasing in on everything? thats her nature. you could say "we'll maybe the dog barked because it had an existential crisis" sure... maybe. or maybe the obvious explanation that has been true for years and years and years and years and years and years and years over and over and over again is the correct one
occam's razor
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i'm pretending to work and can't respond to all of this. maybe i'll come back to some specific things later.
i think you're far too cynical, and it seems unwarranted. and needlessly complicated.
she's clearly already famous and rich and good looking. there are lots of famous and rich and good looking people who don't do the kinds of things she's doing. she's doing them, and she speaks about them very eloquently. that's worthy of applause and respect.
one thing i will say: even if she had all the tutors & help money could buy, and i'm sure she did, she still passed that exam. that is not a trivial thing. that is real work. most people wouldn't put that much effort into anything. she did. she did that work. she will trump you on that.
I wrote a lot and edited it 5 times since lol. No im a realistic and using Occam's razor based on everything we have ever seen by her.
no its not impressive. army of staff to give her more time, months to practice, months to get trained by the best tutors, fails 3 times. I am not impressed at all
the exam has a 15% pass rate apparently. she passed it. that says something.
listen to her interview, and listen to how she talks about alice johnston. she knows the case, she speaks about it with detail.
she helped her. that was done. alice johnston was pardoned because of what she did. someone who was imprisoned for an insane amount of time is now free because of kim k.
i think that's great. i don't know if i'll ever do anything in my life 1/10th as great as that.
so i am willing to holster my attitude and any preconceived ideas i have of her, because she did at least one thing with her fame & influence that will overshadow anything i or almost anyone else will ever do.
NOPE
https://excessofdemocracy.com/blog/2021/5/californias-baby-bar-is-not-harder-than-the-main-bar-exam
"One reason this mythology persists is to look at the pass rates. On the June 2020 “baby bar,” 145 first-time test-takers had a 27.6% pass rate, and 134 first-time test-takers in November 2020 (where Ms. Kardashian likely took the exam) had a 29.1% pass rate."
again "why thank you milord!!! so generous of you! you made bunch of money off the PR and released a documentary about how holy and amazing you are (that she produced)
you also don't even have 1/10th the money she has (is my guess based off statistics). its like saying "well he build a 20 story building so he's better than me". there are plenty of true heroes who don't do it for fame, don't cash in on the PR, and don't produce a documentary about themselves saying how hard they worked and amazing they are.
those are the real great people. those are the people who don't need constant attention to do the right thing. rather than doing it for clicks and PR
you seem to have this attitude of subservience and simping to rich people. Kim could put you on a leash and call you a subhuman and youd thank her for the privilege.
if that is the pass rate, then fair enough.
it's still clearly a tough exam. i'm an accountant, and that was a tough program, but none of our exams at any level had anything close to a pass/failure rate like that. i
she took the exam and passed it. most people wouldn't be able to do that it seems to me, and even if they could, she still did it! lots of work! lots of effort! more than i had to do to pass my econ & stats & finance exams. and i worked really, really hard in those classes.
i am here to say kim k is smarter and harder working than me. i will absolutely simp to her for that, lol.
i am happy to say that everyone should be as charitable and giving and generous as they can, regardless of how much money they have. and anyone who does that deserves all the credit in the world.
you can say that people who have less are purer and more worthy of praise, and that's true perhaps. maybe. at least sometimes.
but it's also true that the richest and most famous have the most power and ability to influence and do good, and they deserve praise when they do things, not only for the good they do but for the example they set.
so even if i accept that she doesn't deserve as much praise as a poor man who gives the shirt off his back and his last dollar to someone who needs it more than he does, she still deserves credit for the good things she's done.
"you seem to have this attitude of subservience and simping to rich people. Kim could put you on a leash and call you a subhuman and youd thank her for the privilege."
i think that's a weird take on my posts. it's not accurate.
"i think that's a weird take on my posts. it's not accurate."
from everything you've wrote since it seems my comment was accurate
there is no point going forward because you do not care about facts. no matter what evidence is given the conclusion is always "she is amazing and soo smart!"
sharethat's just silly. i'm arguing from facts: she used her influence to get johnston freed. she passed the baby bar exam, an exam that most applicants fail by a significant margin.
those are real things that she did. & full credit to her for doing them.
you on the other hand are simply hand-waving away those real things and stating ... what, exactly? that passing a hard exam isn't impressive? that because other people with less than her do good things, that makes her good acts unimpressive?
those don't seem like very serious positions to me.
just to clarify one thing: apparently about 1/6 of the people who fail the first take on the baby bar go on to pass it, so i'm guessing that's how that 15% figure got circulated.
regardless, the point stands that passing an exam that most applicants don't pass is a solid accomplishment.
you where off by score pass results by 100%. despite this it still proved she was amazing!!!
she had more advantages than 99% of people taking the test by having an army of servants to do things other people would have to do herself. and can use this extra time to spend with a tutor that somone else couldn't afford. this still proves she's amazing!!!
she fails the test 3 times. this still proves she is amazing!!!!
she cashed in on her legal aid she gave. doesnt matter still amazing!!!!
again you don't care about the facts. you are here to make excuses for Kim. it doesnt matter the facts. the conclusion is always "Kim is amazing" with you
I DON'T LIKE TO DOGPILE PEOPLE AND GENERALLY I FIND LEODICAPRIO TO BE A GIANT DOUCHEBAG...BUT...AS SOMEONE WHO SAW SEVEN COMPLETE SEASONS OF THAT KARDASHIAN SHOW AND OTHERS(MY WIFE WAS A FAN)...I CAN HONESTLY SAY...KIM IS AN UNINTELLIGENT PUBLICITY WHORE WHO WILL DO ANYTHING TO KEEP THE FAME BURNING.
sharefair enough.
but i would still encourage you to listen to the interview i linked above. if you do, let me know what you think.
I don't care if she gave one interview and spoke competently and didn't seem totally shallow, vacuous and entirely ego driven.
we have over a decade of her nature being exposed that explains her motivation, nature and modus operandi.
again she produced a documentary about herself and how amazing she is and how much she's doing! everything goes back to cashing in on her brand/image.
there are thousands of lawyers you have Never heard of who have done 10X what she has. you re falling for the propaganda/PR and saying "nooo its true!!!! she said so!"
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellendurney/how-kim-kardashian-and-kanye-west-used-each-other-for-fame
its a lie, and you got duped
i'm simply judging her by what she's done, and what she's done is impressive and worthy of praise.
she passed the baby bar.
she got johnston pardoned.
those are real achievements.
saying someone does something good doesn't take praise away from the other people who do even better things. that's a counterproductive way of looking at anything in life.
we agree for once :)
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