Students (spoiler)


When Charlie opened the camera and revealed his face, the students' facial expressions ranged from disgust and anger to laughter. At least two students laughed in his face. From the moment I watched the scene, it struck me as unrealistic. I don't believe that students of their age would react in this way - at least not to this extent. Such behavior is more typical of school children, not adults. Most mature people wouldn't respond like that when someone exposes their vulnerable side. Based on my experience with people of their ages (let's say age 19-26), I believe at least one person would say a few kind words to him, something like 'we love you just the way you are, you're a great lecturer.'

What do you think?

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I think at that age, 18-21 - being completely honest with myself - I would have started laughing hysterically.


Certainly later on, one would have shown compassion. Actually, probably more towards not saying a word.

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Thank you for your honesty, do you think that your reaction will be true to most people you known at age 18 to 21?

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Well, the people I knew, yeah, hahaahahaha

But people in general - I'd say probably 20% would have started laughing hysterically.

I think in the movie, only 2 of his students started laughing. Then I remember a couple of them being shocked. And of course others that didn't really care.

I know at that age, with no doubt, I would have been laughing hysterically.

SO how about you - being totally honest with yourself - picture yourself at 18-21 - what would you have done when Charlie showed himself?

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I just remembered one little thing about that scene that might change your answer. He used a nasal cannula to breathe, so they laughing or feeling disgusted in front of a sick person who may tend to die. Most people don't laugh when they see patients in a hospital. Now that I remember this, it makes everything more cruel (even sadistic - and no doubt teenagers sometimes act like that) and less realistic for me.

So the answer to your question is NO - with or without nasal cannulas. I would probably be shocked because of the extreme physical and medical condition he is in. At the same time, I would try to act normal, empathetic, and appreciate his courage. In my country, most people enlist in the army at age 18, so maybe it's different in other countries when they go straight to college.

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No, I still would have started laughing. Once again though, at that age. Plus he isn't in a hospital - he is their instructor. It would appear as though - "He's so fat, he needs help to breathe! hahahahahaah".

Now that is an awful thing to say - but I know I would have reacted that way at 18-21 years old. A lot of others, if they were being 100% honest, would concur.

I don't think its a country thing, its an age thing. I was hysterically laughing at pretty much everything when I was that age. Plus, being male. Are you female? I'm a male - we don't mature as quickly as girls do. I think that has something to do with it as well.

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Agreed, females mature faster, and I still remember at least one female laughing in the movie. I am male. I mentioned the army because we are given heavy responsibilities (a gun, guarding the country, etc.) at a young age, and it's therefore "imposed" on us to mature faster. I tried to remember the time of my youth, and you are right, some of the people I knew during my life at the age of 17-19 were not mature enough to deal with such a situation. Still, I'm waiting for the one student who said something kind to Charlie. It's largely hypothetical, but maybe if he hadn't broken the laptop, someone would have said something nice once they'd recovered from the shock.

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Oh yes, I totally agree. At least one of his students, in reality, would have been thoughtful and kind. And it probably would have been a girl, ahahahahah

All right brother, we're on the same page. Only to add, I did both college and the Army - I wasn't mature until I was about 35, ahhahahahaha

However, having said that, in all reality, probably by 25 years of age, I would not have laughed at his condition - I would have just kept my mouth shut.

Ok brother, nice chatting with you - best wishes.

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Thank you very much for great discussion.

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With all due respect, I think you are wrong. If it was in person, most wouldn't laugh, but when you're online, you tend to feel like you're anonymous, and can sometimes forget when a cam w/ microphone is on. Humans can also be extremely cold, especially immature ones. Reddit users, anyone?

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Interesting point LemonHead (I love your nick name 😊).

You're absolutely correct in your observation that our ability to empathize with others people diminishes when we engage online, often hiding behind the protective veil of anonymity. This anonymity can sometimes lead us to exhibit darker aspects of our personality that we might not express in our day-to-day lives.

However, the situation changes when we consider video meetings, such as Zoom. In these instances, we are not hidden behind that same veil of anonymity. We can see each other, and everyone present is aware of this visibility. This creates a unique dynamic, one that's not exactly intimate but brings us physically closer, as we're essentially looking into each other's eyes.

Drawing from my own experiences, I've taken several courses during the COVID-19 pandemic via Zoom. During these sessions, there's a distinct feeling that everyone is observing you throughout the entire class—how you speak, how you present yourself. It's as though you're on display. In my experience, Zoom tends to feel less intimate compared to a traditional in-person classroom setting. However, it's interesting to note that during a Zoom session, you can almost imagine the person who's speaking as if they were seated across the table from you, much like you're sharing a meal in a restaurant together.

So, what I'm trying to convey is that the dynamics of Zoom meetings are different from typical internet interactions. While there's a certain level of detachment on the internet, Zoom meetings can create a sense of proximity that is more akin to face-to-face despite being in a virtual space. It's physically more than intimate but still it's hard to laugh at someone if you know he see you.

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I don't think people would laugh, especially since he was their professor who determines their grade, but I don't think anyone would have said some kind words either.

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It's possible. I wonder what would happen if he let than 5-10 more min before he throw out the computer. They did not have time to recover from the shock they had received about his physical condition.

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No it wasn't realistic at all the film was very manipulative and would bend reality in order manufacture sympathy for Frazer

Another moment was with the pizza guy, most people just wouldn't react like that but it seemed to me one of the underlying messages of the film was that regular people are ignorant and have zero empathy and paint poor Charlie, the man who abandoned his child in order to have perverted sex with a borderline legal student as some kind of tragic person we are supposed to cry over.

And am i right in thinking the reason he blew up and was eating himself to death was because he was pining over his gay lover? not his broken hearted daughter? He waits until he is at deaths door to reach out. The film was very disingenuous it so desperately wanted everyone to cry but they didn't earn it

And they had to throw in the token backward Christian who thinks God hates fags. It's yet another mainstream film that will be seen by millions where they attempt to muster up more sympathy for the Homosexuals, even gay people must getting tired of this by now, they're just pawns at this point

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Both the pizza guy and the students didn't know anything about Charlie's past, so they either laughed at him or were disgusted by him because of his appearance. In contrast, he receives harsh criticism from his daughter and ex-wife, who are aware of his past decisions.

I believe he is eating himself to death more because of his pangs of conscience about his lover's death than due to his feelings of longing for his lost gay love.

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Regardless if they knew anything about him or not it was included deliberately by the filmmaker in or order to garner sympathy for Frazier and it comes off very apparent and cheap.

The pizza boy may have found him repulsive but we all see weird things everyday and you just wouldn't have that reaction that was put in purely for the film. As was the class, I'm sorry but a group of young adults would not snigger and whip out their iphones

His daughter and ex had more reasonable grounds for hating his guts but this gets lost when they deliberately focus on poor obese man everyone is laughing at me

We know by now its 2023 and the obese thing is a red herring the thing they want you to be emotionally invested in is the homosexual relationship. But to me as someone who has no sympathy for that storyline they didn't sell it well at all because he abandoned his daughter to chase bum sex no matter how you cut it up thats the narrative so he was a piece of shit and no amount of crying or people sniggering at his weight will change that fact

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I have a bit of wisdom now on "THe Whale" - it's been about six months since I saw it.

My current view of it is the same as Boromir. The reaction of the students makes sense - the reaction of the pizza guy makes sense. I mean look at Charlie - you're either going to shocked, disgusted, amused, or you don't really care. All of these emotions are displayed by the students and the pizza guy. And its all because of the way he looks. Makes perfect sense to me.

The eating himself to death, to me, was a guy losing his will to keep trying in life. And why would he do that? Because the love of his life is gone. So, he doesn't care anymore. He isn't trying to "watch what he eats". If he wants to eat, he eats - his own health be damned. Lastly, the daughter. I still feel she had very little to do with Charlie's current state. He reached out to her because he knew time was almost up for him. If he was himself, perfectly healthy, and still had his lover, he wouldn't have bothered with his little girl.

Just my take with 6 months of wisdom.

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My current view of it is the same as Boromir. The reaction of the students makes sense - the reaction of the pizza guy makes sense. I mean look at Charlie - you're either going to shocked, disgusted, amused, or you don't really care. All of these emotions are displayed by the students and the pizza guy. And its all because of the way he looks. Makes perfect sense to me.


Just to be precise, I responded to Lucia by stating that Charlie's past is irrelevant to these two scenes because none of the students or the pizza guy knows anything about Charlie's past. Therefore, the way they act is a result of his external appearance. They did not come to class with prejudices about him.

In my original post, I claimed that the students' reactions were not the way I expected people of their age to behave. I still stand by my opinion, but I am not as sure as I first thought after reading a few stories from people on the site.

The eating himself to death, to me, was a guy losing his will to keep trying in life. And why would he do that? Because the love of his life is gone. So, he doesn't care anymore. He isn't trying to "watch what he eats". If he wants to eat, he eats - his own health be damned. Lastly, the daughter. I still feel she had very little to do with Charlie's current state. He reached out to her because he knew time was almost up for him. If he was himself, perfectly healthy, and still had his lover, he wouldn't have bothered with his little girl.


I agree. The cause of his degeneration is the death of his lover, primarily the reason and the way he died. When a person hits rock bottom, stay without friends and family, only then a person realize what he neglected all these years. I am not agree he didn't care about Ellie. The fact that he kept an assignment she wrote all these years proves that he does care. But this was not the cause of his extreme obesity.

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Your first paragraph - I exactly agree. Take yourself out of the movie for a moment. Let's say you were delivering pizzas. Your customer opens the door and its Charlie. You'd be taken aback by his appearance. As to how one would react after the initial shock of his appearance - well, I think a lot of that has to do with age and seasoning. In my teens, I'd have starting laughing right in his face. Today, I wouldn't say a word. But most assuredly, no matter if one was a teen or full fledged adult, you'd be stunned by his appearance.

Eehh, I think we may have discussed Ellie before. He may have cared about her - I can meet you halfway there - but she wasn't a priority for him. She only became a priority because he knew he didn't have much time left on the planet. I maintain what I said, if his lover was still alive and he was still himself - he wouldn't have reached out to the level he did. If I recall correctly, he paid child support. He gave the Mother additional monies when she asked. And on occasion, he'd ask about Ellie. But he wasn't pushing the envelope. He didn't push until he knew he was almost done.

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