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How does a high school dropout and single mom afford law school?


I read somewhere that you practically need to be of financially independent means.

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I came on these boards today to ask this very same question. How did a single mother who works at a bar support herself, two teenage kids (who eat a HELL of a lot and require lots of money to raise), afford college tuition, AND pay for law school??

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She was co-owner of the bar (and still is), she had alimony and child support, and she got loans, grants and scholarships for school. That's what my sister did. She was not poor - and college in the 70s-80s cost a fraction of what it does now.

My first semester tuition at a well-known state university in the early 80s was $230 - for the entire semester...

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Only $230? That wouldn't even cover books these days. A bunch of scam artists.










Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.

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Books? Naw, maybe a book.

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His brother also gave all his material posession to her. It was mentioned in the movie.

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Well she wasn't really a single mom in the sense that she was the sole-financial support for her children - she was divorced but the father always had at-least shared custody and the kids lived with him exclusively for a time as well.

Also she spread the expenses out over a longer period of time than most people do, she went to school for something like 10-12 years before passing the bar.

Lastly law school was a bit more affordable in the early-mid 90's than it is today, and substantial student loans were significantly easier to come-by.

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as much thought and logic you try to put behind it... her situation still would never work in the real world. it's just a movie anyways and what they are trying to stress is that against all odds, she was able to prevail at the end and the bigger message they were trying to get across was that you shouldn't let anything get in your way.

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it's just a movie anyways

Yes, a movie of a TRUE STORY. However difficult for the audience to fathom, she DID do it and she DID somehow become a lawyer in the end.

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"her situation still would never work in the real world. it's just a movie anyways"

Quite funny, knowing it really did happen :)





"I can't keep doing this on my own with these... people. " - Daniel Plainview

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saki_02 what are talking about?!?!! what do u mean logic LOL its a TRUE story, Betty did it, she put herself through law school and got her brother out. its a fact lol. she obviously had a way coz it happened.

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Except it DID work out in the real world. This is based on a true story.

I'd much rather regret something I'd done rather than something I was too afraid to do- Bateman

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She put her children second, husband third, and so on. The brother was a bad guy imo. something is not right with her.

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Just because he wasn't an angel doesn't mean he deserved to spend the rest of his life in prison for a crime he didn't commit.

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious."
- Oscar Wilde

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I really like that post, I have finally seen the movie now and I remember reading your post and kept it in the back of my mind while watching it. I think they didn't shy away from portraying his bad sides whilst simultaneously reminding us that doesn't mean it's okay to throw him in jail.

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her situation did happen in the real world you idiot

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I watched the movie a few weeks ago and am now reading an article/interview wit Betty Ann. In the movie, I'm sure she offered to become a lawyer? But Kenny actually pushed her into it, after a suicide attempt saying I'll stay alive if you do this for me.
She states that she paid her tuition credit card upon credit card and also by bartending when she wasn't studying or asleep. She finished University and then didn't study again or sit her LSAT exam until a couple of years later, her and her now boyfriend opened up a bar together and she done the bookwork.
It took her 13 yrs from when Kenny asked her to do it, to getting to Law School, which then took 4 yrs. It was in her final year of Law School that she realised and investigated the whole DNA option.
The movie may seem unrealistic to some, but it is based on a true story and from what I have read, it's pretty darn near factual.
Sad ending. Enjoyed the movie and Juliette Lewis was great in the few scenes she done! Unrecognisable.


'I say I'm dead.. and I move'

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Here is an interview with Betty. As depicted in the movie, she states she offered to go back to school if Kenny would not attempt suicide again. Forty seconds in to this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCZ03_sW7VQ&feature=related

Maybe Kenny and she had other conversations on the subject, but based on this interview with her, I'm not sure Kenny pushed her to go back to school.

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I don't usually type in all caps, but HAVE ANY OF YOU DOUBTERS HEARD OF THIS THING CALLED STUDENT LOANS???

This movie is based on a true story, and I know at least half a dozen people who went to law school AND undergrad on student loans.

This thought process should not require anyone to suspend their belief, people get student loans to fund their education EVERYDAY. Do you think the bank of mommy and daddy is the only means to a good post graduate education????

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Samferg is absolutely correct.

I can't believe the ignorant people out there.

Student loans, student loans, student loans. Grants, grants, grants. Scholarships, scholarships, scholarships.

Duh. You might wanna crawl out of that McDonald's you've been working at.

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@oreocookierabbit: Maybe they were talking about working at "Old MacDonald's farm?"

What a creepy thread

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It is "McDonald's"

Source: http://www.mcdonalds.co.uk/

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You are more annoying than anyone else that has posted here. I've been an attorney for 40 years, and the story depicted in this film is not unrealistic. And I don't care whether you "have to work at all." Perhaps you have a trust fund. How nice for you.

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Read the title of this movie. It says it all in one word. "Conviction"

I find most Americans are too busy complaining about how hard they have it when... the American system basically rewards people with diligence and above all CONVICTION. Anybody can become a doctor. You just need to want it as much as this Lady.

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I only realised just then the title has a double meaning. Fail for me.

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Its possible even without student loans or grants. IF she was doing it in the mid 1990s and went to a state university that's about 7K a year (books and tuition). Add in two years of prelaw (ie community college) $1500 / year. Its about 30K. Spread out over 10-12 years, that's $2500 / $3000 per year.. If she is making $20,000 after taxes. That's 10-15% of her income.

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It's based on a true story. Watch the whole movie credit at the end for once or do some research.

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It's based on a true story about Zeph's family. How unfortunate.

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I'm not sure why people have to be so mean on here. I'm just going to state the facts. This "movie" is based on a true story. Betty Anne Waters spent over 10 years getting her law degree. There are MANY ways to get funding for college and anyone can get a grant. The most prominent type of college grant is a pell grant, which provides funding for low-income students. I had a friend who got $2000 a semester in pell grants. There are also student loans and financial aid AND she also worked while putting herself through school. Was it difficult? Yes, I'm sure it was. Did she pull it off? Yes, she did. Good for her! You see, the reason they made a movie about her life is because she beat INSURMOUNTABLE odds to free her wrongly convicted brother from prison. The average person probably couldn't do what she did, so kudos to her. It's an inspirational story. You should enjoy the film and spend less time wondering where she got the funding. If it were anything that interesting, they'd have put it in the film.

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I agree. I'm not familiar enough with Betty's story to say how she financed law school, but I certainly know enough law students who are reliant on loans. And while I'm actually surprised she didn't violate some ABA regulation (that she could sit the Bar) after spreading her education out so long, that would definitely make it more affordable. To the best of my knowledge, federal grants are not available to law students, but between loans, working, and scholarships, she could definitely do it.

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I really don't see her getting a scholarship but I do believe grants and student loans could of got her through school. She did not go to Harvard Law School so it does see possible for her to get financial aid to put her through school.

" Benny, you silly great fat article"

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As a matter of fact, Harvard is one of the easier universities to get funding for. Basically, if you're smart enough to get in, Harvard will find a way for you to pay for it--even if it means that Harvard foots the bill. Many poor students are able to attend Harvard in this way. One of the perks of having a 27 billion-dollar endowment.

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What does "could of got her" mean? Did you mean to say, "could HAVE GOTTEN her..."?

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Loans.

My husband earned his undergraduate degree, masters, and MD - all from private schools (read: ~US$40k per year for tuition) - and all financed through loans. (His parents didn't give him a dime for school; in fact, he was paying their mortgage when he was 15 years old, with money earned from his after school job. But that's another story.) Out of a medical school class of 127, only one of his classmates had their education paid for by their parents; everyone else took out massive loans. Included in his medical school class were two single mothers, neither of whom had any financial help from the fathers of their children; and one of the women had previously earned her JD!

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I find it a sad reflection on people that I share this wonderful world with, that their main reason to logon and post on IMDB, is to doubt whether or not she could have made it through law school.



Other people are better than you, get over it.



Second point, who gives a damn?, the film is about injustice, corruption, and the determination of everyone involved in the case, to fight for what they knew was right. How she paid for law school is a non issue to anyone but her.



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To be fair, I have a feeling some of these posters may be younger without a realistic sense of how higher education is financed. They know it's expensive (today, law school tuition starts at about 20k a year, few single moms have that kind of disposable income). However, the reality is that plenty of students are reliant on loans.

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