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so why is Micah such a dumbass?


He is basically the cause of all the problems. He makes it get worse. And he acts like a moron, keeps saying he has a plan. But nothing he does actually does anything. He's just trying stupid stuff like making footprints appear and yelling at it. Yea.... that helps Micah. It really helps...... And then at the end he has a chance to get them out of the house, but he doesn't do it just because his oh so obviously possessed girlfriend says she doesn't want to. Instead of forcing her to go and saving their lives, he stays like a dumbass and gets what he deserves. What a pathetic boyfriend.

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Glad I'm not the only one who couldn't stand them. He was oh so irritating. Honestly, I think his actions were just an excuse to further the movement of the plot. If he hadn't been there, the film would have been a lot shorter. I think I would have taken a shortened running time rather than to be subjected to his idiocy.

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Yeah, I agree Renton. It's not just that he's an idiot. It's that he's not consistent. Everything he does is an excuse to put things in front of a character, but there's no logic to it. If he doesn't believe in the demon, why does he want a Ouija board? If he believes in the demon, why did he expect it to leave footprints? If the footprints indicate an intruder, why doesn't he check out the attic more thoroughly during the day? If he thinks there's a demon and he thinks an exorcist will make it worse, what is his alternative to the demonologist? If he thinks it's not a demon and he's got possible evidence of an uninvited person in the house, why doesn't he at least inform the police about the possible harassment?

Okay, so in real life people do stupid things, but if we are being presented with a story, they ought to make SOME attempt to help us empathise. I never have any idea why Micah does anything.

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OMG I totally agree with you...he basically just antagonized the demon from the start and was so obsessed with his camera and filming the activity that he left Katie's feelings and safety on the sideline...he believes his macho personality will save the day??? What a joke! I was literally applauding when the possessed Katie ends up killing him, he definitely deserved it!

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Thanks for the spoler idiot

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Thanks for the spoler idiot
That's your own fault. If you don't want a movie spoiled, then don't go to the discussion board about it before you even see it.

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The number of years that pass have nothing to do with a spoiler alert.
There is no 'time frame' that people have to see a film.

Its easy enough to put a *Spoiler* warning in one's thread title.



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No the guy has a point. You have no business being on a discussion board if you've not seen the film yet because it's not fair to those who do want to talk about it if they have to go and specialize their post because omgz some random guy on the net hasn't seen it yet. If one's too incompetent to get the jist that the OP was obviously going to talk about Micah's behavior throughout the film then they deserve to suffer a ruined ending

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He is basically the cause of all the problems


No. He isn't.

He makes it get worse.


No he doesn't.

And he acts like a moron, keeps saying he has a plan. But nothing he does actually does anything.


This much is true. But to be fair, nothing anyone else does really actually does anything either.

He's just trying stupid stuff like making footprints appear and yelling at it.


He's trying to prove it's existence and figure out what exactly it wants.

People generally have two reactions when they're afraid. Put on a brave face, or cower in a corner. Micah is the former.

[quote]And then at the end he has a chance to get them out of the house, but he doesn't do it just because his oh so obviously possessed girlfriend says she doesn't want to. Instead of forcing her to go and saving their lives, he stays like a dumbass and gets what he deserves.[quote]

It really makes no difference whether they leave or stay. The demon is tied to Katie, not the house. Forcing her to leave would have changed exactly nothing, because the demon would just follow them no matter where they went.

Micah was doomed by not kicking Katie out of his house as soon as he found out what was going on.

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he does make things worse, he uses the Ouiggi board to communicate, which irritates the demon

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No, he doesn't. Yes he uses a Ouija board(why do some people find that so hard to spell?), but that didn't irritate the demon. It actually played right into the demons hands, since the demon grows more powerful the more fear Micah and Katie experience.

The Ouija board didn't make things worse, but it didn't help anything either. However, at least Micah was trying to do something. If it weren't for him trying through the whole movie, they never would have banished it from their house. Katie would have just kept ignoring it until it was too late.

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Ermmm.....I'm pretty sure they don't banish it from the house, I think maybe because Katie gets possessed and ends up killing him so even noticing it did nothing. It was still too late

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You're right. It was her sisters family that banished it from their house. Which is why it starts going after Katie. At the end of the movie "Toby" possessed Katie and she goes and kidnaps Hunter.

But again, nothing Micah did actually made anything worse. The demon was on a mission. It wasn't going to stop, or even slow down if Micah had done nothing.

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King quit trying to deny it. They're right in that Micah did make it worse. He did exactly the opposite of everything the psychic told them not to do..You really have no clue as to what you're talking about if you try to say otherwise. The psychic specifically said that it feeds on negative energy and is even worse if you bring in a wiji board so what happens? Micah antagonizes it and gets that board. You obviously didn't pay attention to the film because it DID get worse as Micah started behaving like that more and more

The demonologist wouldn't have helped? The demon wouldn't have been stopped? Says who? You? Thing is your posts have no proof bob..They're simply your opinions because we didn't see the demonologist ever show up to see if it helped or made things worse. Your opinions aren't equal to facts buddy..LOL of course the psychic was unreliable. He said demons weren't his field but everyone knows psychics are suppose to be able to feel spirits and all that stuff in films..If he says it's bad,then yes it's pretty bad. It's not like he was just making stuff up because the demon's actions supported what he said.

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King quit trying to deny it. They're right in that Micah did make it worse.


This is a matter of your opinion. You have no way of proving that Micah made things worse at all. As the series goes on, we find out that no matter what Micah had done, things were going to escalate. The demon was there for a reason, and it wasn't just to mess with these two.

He did exactly the opposite of everything the psychic told them not to do..


So what? We assume that everything the psychic tells us is correct?

The psychic specifically said that it feeds on negative energy and is even worse if you bring in a wiji board so what happens?


Negative energy is an extremely vague term. Almost anything can be considered negative energy. It seemed pretty clear it was feeding more on their fear than anger.

It's spelled Ouija. And how exactly did that, in and of itself, create negative energy?

Micah antagonizes it and gets that board. You obviously didn't pay attention to the film because it DID get worse as Micah started behaving like that more and more


I was going to get worse regardless of what he did. The demon wasn't there for *beep* and giggles. It was there for a purpose.

The demonologist wouldn't have helped? The demon wouldn't have been stopped? Says who? You? Thing is your posts have no proof bob..


Says the other two movies revolving around Katie and her sister.

Thing is, this movie doesn't give much information. It isn't until the second and third that we find out why the demon is there in the first place. Which I have mentioned in this thread.

They're simply your opinions because we didn't see the demonologist ever show up to see if it helped or made things worse.


At the absolute best he MIGHT have gotten rid of the demon for awhile. But it would come back, and we know this. That is, those of us who watched beyond the first movie know this.

He said demons weren't his field but everyone knows psychics are suppose to be able to feel spirits and all that stuff in films..If he says it's bad,then yes it's pretty bad. It's not like he was just making stuff up because the demon's actions supported what he said.


So wait... He's unreliable, but you completely trust everything he says? That's what they call contradictory.

And yeah, it's exactly like he was making stuff up. Because nothing he said was ever verified. And again, the demons actions were going to get worse because it's been following Katies family since before the girls were even born. It's after something, and it isn't giving up until it gets it. No matter what they had done, the activity was going to get worse. Micah could have spent the entire movie with his hands in his pockets and things would have ended up exactly the same.

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And everything you say is a matter of YOUR opinion as well. Lol as the series went on we saw that the films got worse and worse so I really don't know where you're trying to go with that. The film should've ended with the cop ending. Out of all these supernatural films I've seen this one handled the demon in the most poorest of fashions. No duh of course it was going to get worse bub..There wouldn't be much of a film if it didn't,but what you seem to fail to grasp is that if you ignore the plot and try using some common sense(which this movie failed horribly on)that everything we others have said is indeed correct.

Besides of course it's easy for you to say that the demon's actions were going to get worse after seeing the following films..You can't sit there and say the exact same thing if you had only watched the first and nothing else. That's like saying oh hey it doesn't matter how evil or demonic the undead were that Ash faced in Evil Dead 2..he'd still wind up victorious over them because he did in Army of Darkness. It's a poor argument to defend this film or saying people can't prove things all because omgz the sequels say otherwise. YOU have no proof that the demonologist wouldn't have made a difference because the film never bothered to show if it would matter..You can't speak on unknown variables if you don't see it happen. This film,and its following sequels,are poorly executed and definitely one of the dumbest thing I've seen in how characters try to deal with a malevolent entity. I can "prove" that statement is indeed true because the rating for the films goes down more and more with each sequel. The only thing PA had going for it was giving people a scare with the whole "some can relate to things happening that they couldn't explain"type of deal. BTW what's with all this "we" you keep talking about? From reading the comments it was mostly you all by yourself..Don't speak for others when you are only speaking for yourself

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oh and by the way i love how you say to others though that the demonologist couldn't stop "Toby." Yet again going back to my point that that's incredibly easy for you to say and a poor argument to say such things all because it had sequels to go by..The cop ending proves you wrong because Toby was obviously stopped in that scenario when the cops shot Katie. There IS proof Toby can be stopped..However it's just you trying to act as if your opinions are facts when they are indeed not. There's a reason why nobody's agreeing with you

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I think the poster means there is no way Toby could be stopped and have the victim LIVE.
There was no way to have a happy ending for Katie.


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There was no way for us to know that because it was not shown as to what would have happened had the demonologist showed up. What I am saying is that it's easy for king to say that it was only going to get worse when we've got 4 sequels to show such..The fact that every ending for Katie was bad was just a poor showing on their writing and was unbelievable in the horror franchise since not every horror film is suppose to end with the bad guy winning. Not only that but out of all the films I've seen that involved a demon..This one was the most ridiculous in how they handled it and how Micah acted. NEVER have I seen someone's character in a film be dumb enough to antagonize the spirits like that..Not in Poltergeist,not in Insidious,or heck any other film I've seen

The only time I've ever seen it to be acceptable for a character to provoke or talk trash to the opposition was with Ash in Evil Dead..But then again Ash had a shotgun and chainsaw to back it up

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I think you need to step out of the horror film thinking frame and wonder how PEOPLE would react to something like that. I actually think it's very realistic that someone would try with cameras and EVP recording - the most realistic reaction once you(as in a real person of today) believe that there is really paranormal activity going on. To scream at something that scares and bullies you or a loved one "What do you want, *beep* is psychologically a completely normal reaction. It might often not really lead to good conclusions, but it helps you dealing with your fear and protecting your self-esteem - see bullied boys in school - They'll scream insults at their tormentors most of the time. Just taking it in silence would make you feel completely helpless.

The board and not calling an expert seemed like clear mistakes, due to his character flaws - arrogance for example. It wasn't really breathtakingly stupid or unrealistic, though.

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Micah made the thing more powerful by acknowledging it, communicating with it and even challenging it. This made the thing stronger and more active, which increased the fear in the house, which strengthened it even more, becoming a vicious cycle. He meant well but his actions definitely made things worse. And of course the worst thing he did was discourage Katie from calling the demonologist. If they had done that, especially if they'd done it before it became so powerful, they would have had a chance to get rid of it.

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Micah made the thing more powerful by acknowledging it, communicating with it and even challenging it.


There's no evidence of that at all. Toby grew in power because of the fear it was inducing in Katie and to a lesser extent Micah. Acknowledging it doesn't appear to do anything, nor does "challenging" it.

And of course the worst thing he did was discourage Katie from calling the demonologist. If they had done that, especially if they'd done it before it became so powerful, they would have had a chance to get rid of it.


Nonsense. There's nothing to suggest the demonologist could have gotten rid of it any better than the psychic investigator they met earlier. And even if he could, Toby was on a mission. Being banished from Kristies house didn't stop him, so what makes you think being banished from Micahs house would solve anything? It would just continue coming for them one way or another.

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But he DOES make it get worse. The psychic says flat out, the demon feeds off of negative energy.

Then the dipsh*t goes and does everything possible to make things worse. He pulls the bullsh*t with semantics about "I said I wouldn't BUY a Ouija board, and I didn't."

Then, it's clearly bothering her that he has the camera all the time, she asks him repeatedly to stop, and he just ignores her.

Everything he did contributed towards the negativity that the psychic said would feed the presence.

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But he DOES make it get worse. The psychic says flat out, the demon feeds off of negative energy.


It feeds off their fear. When the psychic refers to negative energy he means between the couple. Being angry and assertive towards the Demon was not in anyway implied to have made things worse.

Besides which, the psychic is unreliable. We have more information than he does.


Then the dipsh*t goes and does everything possible to make things worse. He pulls the bullsh*t with semantics about "I said I wouldn't BUY a Ouija board, and I didn't."


Again, things were going to escalate with or without the Ouija board. The only thing it really did was add to Katie's fear. Having it in the house wasn't the problem. Causing Katie to freak out more was the problem.

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And you don't think that his actions contributed to tension/negativity between them when all she wanted to do was call a demonologist and he wanted to keep trying to fight it on his own?

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The demonologist wouldn't have been able to do anything for them. The fact is, nothing was going to stop the demon.

And Micah wasn't trying to cause tension between himself and Katie. He was trying to help get to the bottom of things and Katie wanted to let it rest. If it wasn't for people like Micah, Daniel and Dennis there would be no exposition. At the end of all 3 movies we would have been just as in the dark as we were at the beginning.

Again, Micah was putting up a brave front for Katie's benefit. His bravado was intended to bolster Katie, since her fear is what was feeding the demon and giving it more power.

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The demonologist wouldn't have been able to do anything for them. The fact is, nothing was going to stop the demon.

And you know this how?? How could anyone know that the demonologist couldn't help them??
They didn't even try to contact one until it was too late. They also (oddly) never even tried contacting a priest! Nor was there even one prayer.

Regardless of Micah & Katie's religious beliefs, one would think that once they'd realized a demon was in their house....that God likely exists too!
It was certainly worth a try.


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And you know this how??


Maybe the fact that he didn't do anything? What do you think he could have done to help?

How could anyone know that the demonologist couldn't help them??


Because he had already been there and accomplished nothing.

They didn't even try to contact one until it was too late.


Define too late. Considering it had been following Katie around since she was a child. When exactly did it become "too late"?

They also (oddly) never even tried contacting a priest! Nor was there even one prayer.


Oh of course. A priest is going to save the day or the power of prayer. What makes you think that would stop the demon and not just annoy it?

Regardless of Micah & Katie's religious beliefs, one would think that once they'd realized a demon was in their house....that God likely exists too!


Why? Just because something humans refer to as demons exist does not in anyway imply that the Christian concept of god is correct. Or that any god actually exists.

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He made things worse because he didn't take the demon seriously. Before P2 came out, I interpreted it that the demon was tied to Katie's feelings, and that her unconscious anger at being belittled caused her to flare up and kill him.

Or he might have died regardless of whether he was nice to Katie and the demon or not.

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"Micah was doomed by not kicking Katie out of his house as soon as he found out what was going on."

THIS!! Since she was an English student, it had to be his house. Kick out the psycho.

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Oh look, another sad individual who clearly has a personal grudge against me.

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After not being on imdb for 2 months, I log on to imdb at some random time of some random morning. What happens? You reply in about 1 hour. LMFAO. You live on imdb don't you. (note, that is not a question. Everyone here knows the answer.)


It's called email notifications, kiddo. You happened to post your message shortly before I checked my email. I do not live on IMDb, and I haven't been to this board in several months(in case you missed the date of the post you initially replied to, it was December of last year).


ps: Grudge? I find you HILARIOUS, in a pathetic way. You would have to more significant than a flea for me to hold a grudge against you. You fail that test miserably.


If this isn't a grudge, why do you feel the need to make it personal? I honestly don't even remember who you are. But it appears I made such an impression on you that you felt the need to launch a personal attack against me. That definitely implies that you have something against me personally.

everyone here also realizes that there must be a lot of people on imdb who find you HILARIOUS, in a pathetic way. Your moronic statements on the other page that I found you on made me suspect that you are a complete moron, but I was willing to hold out hope that you just had a bad few days. Well, that hope is gone. Enjoy your imdb virtual life.


Typical of folks like yourself, you cannot present an actual argument so you have to attack me. You can think I'm pathetic all you like, I don't know you and I don't care about your opinion. Do you think it bothers me that twits like yourself don't like me?

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It's funny that I'm the obsessed one, yet all you seem capable of doing is talking about me.

Foolish me. I always thought "alerts" were for emergencies & other time-critical events. Obsessed much?


I said "notification" not "alerts." So right away you're setting up a stawman argument.

Here we have a favorite ruse of stupid people on the internet. They say somethign stupid on the internet. Someone points out where they are wrong. In your case, I politely pointed out that you do not understand a simple point in Newtonian physics. You responded with more stupidity. I again pointed out how stupid your comments were. now the ruse ...


There is nothing about Newtonian physics in this thread, and I do not know what board you're even talking about. I can't refute your claim if I don't know what you're even babbling about.

lmao, dumbass. It is only "personal" to the degree to which the stupid comments came from YOUR HEAD. When you disown your original stupid comments, a gret personal weight is lifted from your personal persona. Capisce?


This is utter gibberish. You're suggesting I'm stupid, which is personal. You're making an attack against the person. Do you understand the definition of personal?


I have something against people refusing the little amount of education required to understand basic Newtonian physics.


Again, what are you even talking about?

I prev presented an "argument" by correctly stating simple Newtonian physics. You said something stupid & ran away. I came here 2 months later & I recognized your hilarious handle. End of story.
Big picture: "actual arguments" are defenseless against sheer stupidity, on imdb & elsewhere.


Where was this previous argument? And how is any of this relevant to this conversation anyway? You're bringing up an unrelated argument from some other board because you don't like me. Your attempt at attacking me serves no purpose except to make you look petty.

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He is basically the cause of all the problems


No. He isn't.

He makes it get worse.


No he doesn't.

And he acts like a moron, keeps saying he has a plan. But nothing he does actually does anything.


This much is true. But to be fair, nothing anyone else does really actually does anything either.

He's just trying stupid stuff like making footprints appear and yelling at it.


He's trying to prove it's existence and figure out what exactly it wants.

People generally have two reactions when they're afraid. Put on a brave face, or cower in a corner. Micah is the former.

[quote]And then at the end he has a chance to get them out of the house, but he doesn't do it just because his oh so obviously possessed girlfriend says she doesn't want to. Instead of forcing her to go and saving their lives, he stays like a dumbass and gets what he deserves.[quote]

It really makes no difference whether they leave or stay. The demon is tied to Katie, not the house. Forcing her to leave would have changed exactly nothing, because the demon would just follow them no matter where they went.

Micah was doomed by not kicking Katie out of his house as soon as he found out what was going on.

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Aren't you forgetting all the useful things he did? He yelled at the demon. He said "nobody messes with my house and my girlfriend" as tough as he could. He sprinkled powder all over the floor to make sure the demon was actually walking around despite all the numerous indications that it was there. He saved them a TON of money by avoiding the demonologist. He came up with a super dee duper plan...which involved him talking trash and doing nothing...but at least it could have scared the demon away for a few seconds. He calmed his girlfriend down by ignoring her...after all, she's just a woman who has some silly idea that her ancestors and herself made a deal with a demon. And not to mention that he bought all the cameras which there would be no movie if he didn't do so. So give the guy some credit, he's a hero!!

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'Aren't you forgetting all the useful things he did? He yelled at the demon. He said "nobody messes with my house and my girlfriend" as tough as he could.'

Thus, basically daring the demon to do its worst and carry on. He wasn't supposed to be communicating with the demon, because the more attention it got, the stronger it got.

'He sprinkled powder all over the floor to make sure the demon was actually walking around despite all the numerous indications that it was there.'

Although all the later events would have proved this anyway, and once again, laying the powder on the floor showed interest and encouraging the demon more.

'He came up with a super dee duper plan...which involved him talking trash and doing nothing...but at least it could have scared the demon away for a few seconds.'

Once again, attention by communicating with the demon.

'He calmed his girlfriend down by ignoring her...after all, she's just a woman who has some silly idea that her ancestors and herself made a deal with a demon.'

Ignoring her would not have calmed her down. If he was open-minded enough to try and speak with the demon, he could of been open-minded enough to listen to her. Look where it got him in the end.

'And not to mention that he bought all the cameras which there would be no movie if he didn't do so.'

He didn't plan to make a movie, I don't think and it didn't accomplish anything.

'So give the guy some credit, he's a hero!!'

He's an idiot who didn't process the dangers of being the big to provoke the demon, didn't listen to his girlfriend when he should of and eventually got killed by encouraging the demon.

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Becauase the movie was written by a 5 year old with no imagination.

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That is completely out of line, andrew. He's at least in his early 30s.
And he's in Hollywood, so no imagination is the status quo there. For every Spielberg, there are at least 50 Ed Woods

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Remember that Micah is a sceptic. Atleast at the start of the movie he dosen't believe there is any ghost or demon, but that everything has a natural explanation. As with all real life paranormal happenings, they got a natural explanation, Micah naturally assumed that this too had an natural explanation. Everything happens at night, and if something happens in the middle of the night (you sleep just before and right after), it can be easy to have some sort of disbelif in your memories. (Was everything just a dream, did it really happen like that etc.)

He dosen't believe the phycic because sceptics have little to no respect for phycics.

I think Micahs behaviour was a nice refelction of his sceptisism, and maybe a that he was very curious.

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Well said, vegard-hol. I agree with a good bit of what you said. Micah was a skeptic, and he treated it as such. He did seem curious as well.

But once he was fairly convinced it was a demon, he did act REALLY dumb. He became the alpha-male, and wanted to handle it himself. Why he refused to call in the demonologist I will never quite understand (other than it being a plot device of course lol) other than he wanted to control the situation himself.


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"Well said, vegard-hol. I agree with a good bit of what you said. Micah was a skeptic, and he treated it as such. He did seem curious as well.

But once he was fairly convinced it was a demon, he did act REALLY dumb."

I agree too,

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The word doesn't is spelled doesn't, NOT dosen't. At first I thought it was a typo, but you did it more than once. Also, the word psychic is spelled psychic, not phycic. Also, the word skepticism is spelled skepticism, not sceptisism.

When we type if the word is incorrect, a red line appears below it. If we right click on the word, we will be given options on the correct spelling of the word.

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I started to dislike Micah so much that I was actually rooting for the demon to get him. What a *beep* child. He basically did the opposite of what anyone advised him to do throughout the entire movie, and the whole alpha-male "no one's going to fix this but me" attitude was beyond moronic.

Tbh it ruined the movie for me. Hollywood has this nasty habit of driving a movie's plot through stupidity, rather than clever and imaginative writing. "Oh look! There's a big red button that say's 'Warning! Do not push!' Let's push it and see what happens". Really Hollywood, try harder...

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