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Is it because it's French it's viewed as more than Torture Porn?


I honestly think that if the film was American then it wouldn't get the attention it has, and people wouldn't look so deeply into it. Just like Hostel is rated as simply torture porn by most people. If it were French then people may have explored the human psyche elements of the film a little more and the comments section would have been far more interesting.

Being French means some people assume there is more to Martyrs than an attempt to try, and fail in my case, to shock the viewer with the nature of the psychological and physical torture. I also realise that other people find deeper meaning to this film for other reasons than it being French, just to show i don't mean ALL people who think it's deep are only doing so subconsciously because it is a foreign film.

The film had very little in the way of strong dialogue and/or the back story of the perpetrators. If this is a story with torture porn and to be compared to other torture porn for the writing, then at least you get a true idea of what the perpetrators are all about in Saw and Hostel. I honestly thought Hostel had more going for it than Martyrs. Hostel is more ridiculous than Martyrs but it did at least manage to make me think about the premise and make me squirm at times with torture. There are no scenese that will stay ith me from Martyrs. The premise was certainly stronger for Hostel than Martyrs imho as the whole cult thing was weak with no backstory at all.

Martyrs felt like a one and a half hour build up to me and I was waiting for a big, shocking ending. But no, the ending was ambiguous and dull. The style of ending that has been done time and time before. It left me with nothing to go on. It's pointless guessing what Anna said to the old cow as it could have been anything, which is why i'd have liked a definitive answer on this occasion.

And a final thought... we didn't really see much of what Lucie went though when she was chained. We don't know which stage of the torture she'd managed to reach. Just another thing that disappointed me, as I assumed we'd discover more and more throughout the film about what happened to he before she escaped. We saw her get slapped and then get away, pretty much. The other two tortured girls we saw other than Lucie and Anna had clearly suffered far worse tortures...

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No, it's because it is a mindless, thoughtless torture porn that's somehow convinced itself it has some great insight into the human condition. But, like all French art, it's nothing more than a bunch of narcissistic hacks convincing themselves of their own brilliance.

The only thing worse than torture porn is pretentious torture porn.

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Oh thank god someone else agrees! I was coming here to say I just don't see how this is a 'masterpiece' its just a slash and hack movie. I got nothing from it other than gore. So glad others find it a bit generic as well

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This is the comment that has absolutely 200% convinced me to never watch this movie. Thanks for the comment.

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It had zero storyline. That's not a problem as I watch plotless trash like August Underground etc but no one is calling those 'art' (quite the opposite actually) why this one gets away with being called art I don't know

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I honestly think that if the film was American then it wouldn't get the attention it has, and people wouldn't look so deeply into it.


And you would be wrong. Look at the reception to Frontier(s), which was also a French film.

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- except for a rather small demographic, this hasn't gotten barely any attention

- if it was an american film, then it would not have been the same movie. it's funny how some people think that you could just easily take a finish product and change a major factor and think the result would be the same, but the reception would be different. it's the same with all those "if tarantino had made this movie, it would have been a success" sb.

- ironically hostel, while being used as a poster child for that term, isn't torture porn at all. it is simply a very graphic horror film, that also ironically also has a socio-political message. hell, the first half is character development. how is that even torture porn. the term works for films like august underground, whose only reason for existence is showing disgusting acts.

- "Being French means some people assume there is more to Martyrs than an attempt to try". wrong. this film in particular is polarizing. many people liked it quite a lot, while others, including me found the second half to be totally lame and the payoff/twist to be lacking. doesn't have anything to do with it being a french film. the french admittedly though have done some extremely impressive horror films though: ils, high tension, frontiers and inside, to name just a few. those are exceptional.

- i agree on the ending 100%. i liked the first 45 minutes, but predicted and therefore hated the last 45 minutes.

- "we didn't really see much of what Lucie went though when she was chained." i think we saw enough.

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Another clueless idiot.

CG GORE IS THE WORST THING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED TO THE HORROR GENRE!

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oh, come on - it's at the very least a little bit more involving than your average "Hostel" piece-a-crap nonsense. It's about things...INTERESTING things. Well, I find those things interesting, anyway.

The other side...that which waits for us all upon, or near, death. It does happen to be rather rough in content, sure...but don't hold that against the film, for I DO believe that, while it deals and delves deeply in unpleasant and disturbing content, it also deals and delves into what it is to be human. And that's something very few horror films bother themselves with...that cannot be argued.

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Hostel is about interesting things and Martyrs is about interesting things. Neither is torture porn and neither is average crap or nonsense. And if you don't think Hostel deals with what it is to be human, it's sailed far above your head.

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i dont really understand whats your problem. this movie is rated highly because alot of people like it. it has nothing to do with being french. tough i have to agree that french cinema is usually miles ahead of hollywood.

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I wouldn't say its rated that highly. I got very average reviews when it came out.

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