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A story about thomas kinkade's life? Are you kidding??


I am an art major and like many people in the art world, cannot stand his work. The people that like his work tend to know nothing about art and just think his art is pretty. they need to teach the public about good art not the pathetic art that he produces. I am a fan of Jared's, even though I am not convinced he is a great actor, but he is good looking guy. He's a guilty pleasure but this movie should not be made since it will just add to the uninformed masses that think kinkade's work is fabulous. Cripes......make another Dali movie before this one. At least he's interesting.

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Hey, Kinkade is strctly a pop artist, but that doesn't mean his life might not be interesting enough to be a movie that will attract those who like and buy his paintings. It just might make a good movie for the Christmas season. And it might not. We'll have to wait and see. It won't be for the artsy crowd.

A movie about Dali's life would be interesting. It would have limited showings at the arthouse theaters and might be a contender for Oscars, but it wouldn't make a lot of money at the box office. And it probably wouldn't make an inspiratonal Christmas movie. Ho, ho ho!


"Each man's life touches so many other lives, and when he isn't around he leaves an awful hole."

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Okay, saying that people know nothing about art and only like it because it's pretty...you yourself just said that you don't think Jared can act, but you think he's good looking. Or "pretty". Maybe somebody needs to teach you about good acting, and not just liking someone for their looks.

And I don't think the fact that you're an art major makes your opinion on his art any stronger than anybody else's. Art is subjective; one person can look at something like a Jackson Pollack painting and think it's the most intriguing, beautiful thing ever done. Other see splatters on canvas. You being an art major doesn't mean that your opinion is any better. And why should somebody like somebody's art? I'm not going to like somebody's art if I think it's ugly. I'd like to know what your definition of "good art" is.

"It's just an interesting observation, in an observationally interesting way." - Sam Winchester

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Hey, hey, johnnycowgirl, adding to your comments, a person's being an art major also doesn't qualify him to judge as to whether or not there were incidents in Kinkade's early life worthy of filming. Ho, ho, ho!


"Each man's life touches so many other lives, and when he isn't around he leaves an awful hole."

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I did take art history in college but for the most part, I was not interested
in most of the paintings. I even went to the Louve and never looked at one
painting and spent a day there.
My favorite artist is Andrew Wyeth, who I suppose painted just the opposite
of Kinkade, for some reason I liked the starkness of the paintings ever since
I first saw Christina's World.
I'm not judging this movie until I see it. With Peter O'Toole I'm sure to see
it.

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You went to the Louvre (I'm guessing that is what you mean) for the day and didn't look at one painting? What did you look at, then, the floor? The ceiling? Why did you even go to the Louvre?

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JohnnyCowGirl,

You offer a valid opinion and are taking a brave stance against art education and art history here. Good effort. I would suggest that you at least take the time to learn the correct spelling of artists' names if you're going to toss them around in a debate like this. Education has its merits, if none other than to keep us from looking like dummies.

It's Pollock - two o's.

As for Kinkade's work, without using fancy art school jargon and complicated terminology, I would describe his paintings as "corny." Also "cornball" and "hokey." This is not only the opinion of snooty scholars, but anyone who is cynical enough to understand how greeting cards lack a certain level of depth. Kinkade's work has actually found a strong niche in the greeting card market. Also Glade scented candles...

I applaud anyone for standing by their aesthetic taste. Regardless of what our educational backgrounds are, we simply like what we like. The only thing education does is help us realize why we like what we like. Or don't like. Whatever.

As for this movie, it's a magnificently wonderful business decision. Like the movie "Passion of the Christ," it has a guaranteed demographic with an eager budget for movie tickets and collecting DVDs. That being said, it no longer matters whether it's good or bad because someone is going to make a fortune either way.

As a consumer, doesn't that make you just a little bit mad, that something can be so successful, regardless of quality, simply because there's an unobjective market that's willing to blindly support it?

That's one of the main problems that a lot of people have with Thomas Kinkade's paintings. Ironically Pollock was hoisted into the public eye as a champion of the art world too. Unfortunately for him there were no endorsement opportunities with Glade scented candles, and Hallmark, and Glidden Paint, and Hamilton Jewelry... I imagine his work would be perceived quite differently today if there had been.

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Hey, this is hardly a guaanteed money-maker. It's aimed at a demographic that doesn't go to movie theaters very often. However, the star will bring in some younger viewers. Otherwise, the film will be depending on those interested in the artist deicted, in Peter O'Toole, and possibly Ed Asner. Right now, I say this could go either way. It might easily flop, or it could be a moderate sleeper hit. I think that a $15 mil opening weekend would be a surprise as would a total gross over $50 mil. DVD sales could be big, but regardless of its showing at the theater, DVD release might not come before the Christmas season of 2008. This is common with Christmas movies...DVD release a year later.


Merry Christmas! Ho, ho, ho!

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Excellent post.

I adore Jared and I think he's really grown as an actor since the first season of Supernatural ... but I honestly don't know if I will be able to stomach this movie because I despise the subject matter. Kinkade paintings make my teeth ache and my eyes hurt. They're right up there with black velvet Elvises, sans the fun campy factor. It would be more appealing to me if there were some controversial aspect to the artist's life, but considering that Kinkade is more or less controlling the project, it's guaranteed to be slanted in the most complimentary way possible.

Oh, well. Hopefully this movie will achieve more name recognition for Jared and help open more doors to him for future projects. It is nice that he's working with Peter O'Toole too.

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It's really a movie about people helping each other at Christmas. The inspiration of the painting is part, not the whole of the movie, so if you believe in people showing the Christmas spirit, you'll probably enjoy this. Otherwise, you probably won't.


Merry Christmas! Ho, ho, ho!

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I think, however much lacking of spiritual, abstract or soulful dimension that Kinkades paintings don't have, most people are merely familiar with only a few of Kinkades works, primarily the Christmas ones. If you look at some of my personal favorites don't have the little-floral-cottage look, but have the qualities of a good photograph, however, you can argue that that's not art, but it's his personal preference what the heck he wants to or how the heck he does, paint, whether he makes money off it or not...although I think Kinkade works are becoming similar to an SUV status symbol.

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I couldn't have said it better myself. Kinkade has a marginal talent, but add a mass marketing campaign to his creations and you get a bad movie designed to exploit his current popularity. Kinkade is obviously trying to cash in on his marketablity while he is hot and though you can't really blame him personally, it does lend for some rather dubious works such as this movie and scented candles, etc. The words whore and sellout come to mind with me.

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Definition? Well, it cetainly isn't Kinkade.

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Totally agree! Thank you!!!

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"And I don't think the fact that you're an art major makes your opinion on his art any stronger than anybody else's"

Actually, it does. Just as a mechanic's opinion on a car, or an architect's opinion of a building, is better than your Average Joe's, because they are much more well informed.

Another example I could give you is James Frey and his novel "A Million Little Pieces." When Oprah first introduced this book, people loved the book, they thought it was an amazing piece of non-fiction. Then, of course, Frey was proven to be a liar. People's opinion of him quickly changed. people learned about the lies, became well informed, and were able to form an educated opinion. Suddenly the book didn't look so fantastic.

So, I would certainly value this art major guy's opinion over someone who who is not as well versed in the area, simply because they've studied the field. Art is subjective, to an extent, but one certainly would not compare Kinkade to to the Masters. Kinkade's work is not art. It serves no purpose other then to make Kinkade wealthier. It's doesn't enrich our culture. Real art does.

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"And I don't think the fact that you're an art major makes your opinion on his art any stronger than anybody else's"

gaderael responds:

"Actually, it does. Just as a mechanic's opinion on a car, or an architect's opinion of a building, is better than your Average Joe's, because they are much more well informed."

Nonsense. Completely different issues...an I think gaderael knows it.

Sure a mechanic can tell you if a car is well made or the kind of gas mileage you might get, or an architect can tell you how much a building might cost to build or if a building is likely to be structurally safe or meet code, for example. But neither can tell you if you should "like" the looks of a car or a building. Maybe if someone wanted to know if the paint in a painting was, say, waterproof, or resistant to sun damage, or aging, then sure, ask an art major. If they took the right courses they might know the answer.

But I'm not going to ask an art major if I should like the looks of a given painting. And an art majors opinion of the beauty or appeal of a given painting or even an artists collective paintings in general is of no more value than mine or the next person's.

As to the OP, in general posting such crap before the movie even came out is stupid. As others have pointed out, the movie really isn't about Kinkade's life in general. It's just a snap shot of one time in his life. The focus is more about a community's willingness to help someone in need, not just about Kinkade's painting. The movie was to honor someone Kinkade had respect for and who helped his family. If you don't like that, take a long walk off a short pier.

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The OP sounds like a bitter troll with no talent, who while he may have been an art major at one point in time, has nothing better to do than to bash one of the most beloved artists of our time. I've noticed that all of Thomas Kinkade's bashers have been unemployed hacks who are simply jealous of his success. This movie was a wonderful Christmas film & Jared Padalecki does an outstanding job portraying Mr. Kinkade. I watch this every year at Christmas (I just saw it today!) & it quickly became a favorite of mine shortly after I saw it. Don't listen to the haters, they're just jealous no talent losers with nothing better to do than to bash a true artist.












P.S. Salvador Dali SUCKED!!!

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Hey, that's quite well said. Indeed, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. So is ugliness. Ho, ho, ho!


"Each man's life touches so many other lives, and when he isn't around he leaves an awful hole."

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I'm gonna have to agree with koelewign88.

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Hey, hey, to both the last poster and the OP, what does your opinion of Kinkade's paintings have to do with the events portrayed in the movie? Why can't an artist you don't like still have a story worth telling? Ho, ho, ho!


"Each man's life touches so many other lives, and when he isn't around he leaves an awful hole."

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Dear FrostyHornyPie,

I would actually pay you to stop saying "Ho, ho, ho!"



No love,
Ghost and Steve

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"I would actually pay you to stop saying "Ho, ho, ho!"

Hey, hey, I can't be bought, but exactly how much would you be willing to pay? (Ho, ho, ho!)

"Each man's life touches so many other lives, and when he isn't around he leaves an awful hole."

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Even with the completely hypocritical statement they made in their original post? Although, I do believe that they edited it, after I mentioned it.

"It's just an interesting observation, in an observationally interesting way." - Sam Winchester

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I wish Jackson Pollock would've come along and kicked Thomas Kinkade's ass. Kinkade belongs in the same category as smooth jazz and Hummel figurines: Pure evil!

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Hey, I LIKE smooth jazz, so I'll agree there. But for me, the key to the movie hopefully will be the Christmassy theme of people helping each other. I don't really care a hoot about Kinkade's paintings since I'm not that much for art, but I think this just might be a good Christmas movie.


Merry Christmas! Ho, ho, ho!

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I could not agree more with koelewjin88. I utterly detest Thomas Kinkade. I understand that the meaning of an art piece is in the eye of the beholder. Nevertheless, Kinkade's works are no more than superficial, mass-produced schlock. The movie could very well be a good one. We cannot say for sure until it is released. But Thomas Kinkade??? Why for the love of god would you make a movie about this man?

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Hey, this is first and foremost a Christmas movie about how a well-known Christmas painting was inspired. The focus, I think, is the painting, and I'm hoping it will be a pleasant and warm movie.

Merry Christmas! Ho, ho, ho!

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Do you know Thomas Kinkade? You may not like his art, but you obviously don't know his story! He rose from nowhere, from a crappy little trailer park in a *beep* little mill town to lofty heights. He rubs elbows with the rich and famous daily! Throughout it all he has given generously of his time and money to any number of charities. He may be reviled by snooty artistes, but his work sells, and sells and sells...... He could have been a scientist, an actor a politician, whatever, his struggles and success ARE the story!

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Pssh...I'd rather see a movie about his struggles with controlling his incessant urges to grope women and urinate on things.

In fact, I would LOVE to see a movie about Thomas Kinkade, but you know,$ the real Thomas Kinkade, not the perfect, holier-than-thou image he puts forward.

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koelewijn88 -

you are entitled to your opinions, everyone has em. . .

but I really think you're biased because art is many things, and I like Thomas Kinkade's work. He is talented.

If you have said all about "opening up about art" stuff, then you should be able to open up to MANY kinds of art. His kind of art is ONE kind of art: Pretty and polished. Clearly - from what you've demonstrated - you are not artistic because in order to be artistic you must be open-minded . . . art is many things . . . so open up!


You really are biased. don't be so biased. It makes only you look bad. I'm very open to many things - a skill that has taken some work - but there is something that still bugs me me that I just still can't be open to: BIASES, for some reason, that one still itches me . . .

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Hey, hey, NiceGirl100, that's a good reply to the OP. Yep, each is entitled to his or her opinion, but one shouldn't really object to movies that don't interest them being made...there's lots of movies for everyone.


Merry Christmas! Ho, ho, ho!

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hey thanks FrostyHornyPie...

that is true...

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Hey, hey, I like your attitude, NiceGirl100. This board will probably attract a lot of bashers between now and the movie's release date and I hope you stick around with your ositive attitude at least until it's released. Of course, I might end up not liking the movie once I see it, but right now, I'm definitely for giving it a chance.


Merry Christmas! Ho, ho, ho!

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Ya me too lol =)


I like to stay to the positive side, I almost never bash . . .

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Hey, hey, you'll hate me, but I can't resist this...

"What's a nice girl like you doing in a place like this?" Ho, ho, ho!


Merry Christmas! Ho, ho, ho!

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I don't hate you at all!, but i'm not sure what's wrong with me being here lol?

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I don't hate you at all!, but i'm not sure what's wrong with me being here lol?
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Ah, I was just tryin' to be funny..."What's a nice girl like you doing in a place like this?" is a classic pick up line usually asked a gal who's in a bar where there are some rather sleazy guys...in this case I couldn't resist responding to your screen name, your saying that you don't bash movies, and the fact that these boards are inhabited by rather rough bashers...Ho, ho, ho!

Actually, we need more like you and vivs among others because I'm sure a lot more bashers are going to invade this board as the release date gets closer.

Merry Christmas! Ho, ho, ho!

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