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True it is a touching film that tugs at the old hard strings. But really! Come on! Why can't anyone ever write a flawless movie that doesn't have any plot holes? It's starting to wear really thick on me. For example:

1.How could a PHD educated university professor afford two homes when he only teaches one class a weak and pretends to write books? DUH! 2.How could the piano teacher possibly have known that she was his 5th piano instructor and that he actually wanted to sell his keyboard? DUH! 3. Why would a PHD educated university professor lend his keys to a Rushing immigrant? DUH! 4. Why did the PHD university professor tell the young couple "Who is IVUN?" after he had lent him the keys in the first place? DUH! 5.How is it even possible to survive in New York the BIG RED APPPLE by holding garage sales and playing a drum in a park with approximately 40 other people? DUH! 6.How did the New York City Police Department know that the Arab terrorist would try to break the law at a particular bus stop? DUH! 7.How can a so called ILLEGAL ALIEN even survive when he/she is clearly illegal and on the run all the time? DOUBLE DUH! 8. How come the police officer with the latest computer technology didn't even know where the terrorist went? DUH! 9. Why would a PHD educated university professor choose to live with a woman who admits she is ILLEGAL just like the terrorist? DUH! 10. Why would a PHD university educated professor choose to become an ILLEGAL alien himself by banging on a drum in a public place without a permit? Triple DUH! DUH! DUH! Expecially after all the other ILLEGAL aliens were already gone back to Pakistan and there was no longer any need to listen to them any more? DUH! DUH! DUH! DUH! DUH!

Overall, it was an okay film, however as you can see there were lots of problems with continuity and such. I give it a C+.

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1. Learn proper English. It's 'week', not 'weak'. And first of all, tenured professors make a great deal of money. Also, he says he's had the apartment in New York for 25 years. Do you realize that prices in New York 25 years ago were entirely different. Its never said if he rents or owns. If he owns the place, he could have purchased it for under 100K 25 years ago, meaning that he would only have to put down around 10 thousand and paid the mortgage off over the years. Or he may be renting and its rent stabilized. Clearly you didn't think that one through.

2. First of all, the teacher asked him how many instructors he's had, she didn't guess that she was the fifth. Secondly, she simply asked if he would be willing to sell the piano, if he did, in fact, decide to give it up. Wow.

3. Again, proper English. "Russian Immigrant". He never knew who Ivan was, so therefore, he didn't lend his keys to anyone. Clearly this person, Ivan, knew that the apartment was vacant the vast majority of the time - therefore he rented it as if it were abandoned, without the consent of Walter.

4. See my answer to 3.

5. Keep in mind that Tarik and his girlfriend (her name escapes me at the moment) were rented an apartment that was knowingly not available. Therefore, they were probably given a better rate. Also, Tarik's job is never really spoken of. His drumming is never explicitly listed as his only source of income. Another note - if Tarik's girlfriend sells five pieces of jewelry a day at 35 dollars per piece (what she sold the one piece to the woman for) that's over 150 dollars a day. Five days a week = 750 a week. That's 3000 dollars per month. None of it taxed. I live in New York - regardless of what Tarik earns, thats enough to sustain them both.

6. They were undercover policemen. They saw somebody breaking a minor law and they suspected he was an illegal immigrant. They get a bonus sanctioned by the state if they capture illegals. Thats part of the job.

7. On the run all the time? Ok. Wow. Do you realize how many illegal immigrants there are in this country? The average estimation is 20 million. 20 MILLION. "How can they even survive?" Easily. Like the other 20 million illegals in this country that are embraced by many different businesses in order to get labor at a cheaper rate. People suspected of being illegal can't simply be arrested on suspicion alone. They must break the law - hence the scene in the subway.

8. WOW. This man was clearly a low-level security officer at the detention center. He's not given all the information about every inmate, simply because its not his job to know any of the information - his job is to monitor who comes in and out of the detention center and make sure nobody causes any trouble. You think INS would just give their information out to every employee in every detention center simply because they have the 'latest computer technology' available to them? No, clearly not. Its a matter of national security.

9. First of all, 'The Terrorist'? Clearly Tarik was not a terrorist. He's a simple Syrian man trying to live a decent life in the United States. Second of all, why would Walter care whatsoever if Tarik's mother was illegal when he knew full well that Tarik's girlfriend was illegal and offered to let her stay with him after Tarik was arrested? Walter's character is obviously putting himself at risk because he cares about these new people in his life. He lost his wife, he feels entirely alone, he wants companionship and sees a window for it with these people. You really can't analyze film at all, can you?

10. .............Does the film ever state that Walter does not have a permit when he's playing that drum in the last frame of the film? NO! That is YOUR assumption. Honestly, I would assume that Walter had a permit, given his personality throughout the film. However, that is my assumption and I would never try to nail a point home about a films plot holes based on assumption.

My friend, I really hope this list was your attempt to irritate people into responding to you. I hope it wasn't at all serious. If it was, I hope you're working somewhere that doesn't give you too much responsibility - because honestly, I don't think you can handle anything more than being a cashier. Even that may be too much thought for you. Maybe manual labor is more your speed - hopefully nothing too heady.

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This post shows you are either:
1) Clearly joking
2) Have an extremely short attention span
3) Are 12 years old and sadly uninformed as to how society works

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A general answer: some people are perceptive. The piano teacher understood that he was a hesitant learner, and when he immediately dismissed her as an instructor she got the sense that he had no idea what we was looking for and just wanted to KNOW piano, not LEARN it.
Okay... a lot of your questions are completely answerable. I don't think you were in the right mindset to watch this movie...

for example -- 5. Tarik and Z weren't paying rent--> a lot cheaper then. And she was selling that necklace for $35, a tidy sum--she probably sells a lot of them each day, they looked really pretty.

Just because he was a PhD educated professor doesn't mean that he was completely law-abiding and unemotional. And the 'DUH's are a little obnoxious, just letting you know... were you really that infuriated by all this?

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Older professors, particularly emeriti, often teach only one course and sometimes none. When you're younger you teach a lot - the older you are the less you teach.

He's definitely tenured, probably very well-paid. His wife was also probably a well-to-do woman.

Anyway, I just wanted to address this part. Most of your supposed "plot holes" aren't plot holes at all. You just come off as short sighted and narrow minded. I can't believe you actually believe that illegal immigrants are "on the run all the time". They're not fugitives

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A living human being walking and talking WITHOUT a brain.

Do us all a favour, and DON'T BREED.










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Excuse me Miss Hairy Legs, it is inappropriate to resort to name calling just because your perception of a film is not the same as someone else's perception. Please stick to the strengths and/or weaknesses of the film. It is called critical analysis in case you are not aware of this process. Name calling is the first and last refuge of a FOOL! So please, a little decorum if you will.

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HA! This americaloveswar person unfortunately has kids, who most likely have down syndrome...http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800241/board/thread/124058359?d=124058359#124058359
This person rambles on about Christianity and Plot holes, And follows everything with "duh" and "tard" more than a 10yr. old. I pray for the fate of mankind that an asteroid lands on this family's trailer. God Wills It!







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Most of these questions were answered in the film.


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Delusions of grandeur are typical in schizophrenia, where a patient may well truly believe that they are actually the leader of a country, or someone of great importance. Hey americaloveswar. Does this sound familiar to you in any way?

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It's too bad americaloveswar doesn't love correct spelling,grammar, film accuracy, or word choice -
1. "...teaches one class a weak", instead of "week"
2. Typically people refer to pianos as "pianos" and not "keyboards," which are electronic.
3. multiple uses of "PHD educated". One says "university-educated." After all, the degree itself is not the source of education. Likewise, this usage requires a hypen.
4."Lend his keys to a Rushing immigrant...." I think this is a woeful attempt at "Russian", but I didn't see clues in the movie indicating that he had lent the keys to anyone, much less that "Ivan" was indeed a Russian. Ivan as a name is used by multiple nationalities.
5. "Why did the professor tell the young couple, 'Who is Ivun?' He asked them, he did not TELL them. And "Ivun"? I think that misspelling speaks for itself.
6. "..the BIG RED APPPLE by holding garage sales." If speaking about the Sengalese woman, she is not holding "garage sales." She is a street vendor and her pieces which are handcrafted and new, not used as in most garage sales, I think are pricey for being street products.
7. The police did not pre-plan the arrest of Tarik who you label, without warrant as "terrorist." They merely saw someone who appeared to be jumping the subway turnstile without paying. It was not a "bus stop."
8. He is not "Arab," he is Syrian.
9. "so called ILLEGAL ALIEN" - so-called should be hyphenated
10. "...professor choose to become an ILLEGAL alien himself by banging on a drum in a public place without a permit?" Just playing music in a park doesn't affect a person's citizenship status. You only need a permit if you are collecting money from the performance, which they don't seem to be doing.
11. "Expecially....after other illegal aliens were already gone back to Pakistan" Expecially should be spelled with an 's', not an x. And Pakistan is not their country of origin. They were back in Syria.
12. Finally, an almost profane overuse of the word "DUH" speaks volumes about the writer's credibility, doesn't it?

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To the OP: I'm truly not sure if your post is serious or not. Either you are being facetious or you are being an attention seeking loon with possible anger issues.

Nevertheless, you do bring up a few things that occurred to me as well. I also wondered how a professor who only teaches one class and has not published in years could possibly afford a fairly swanky apartment in NYC that he never even lives in. And how the police could have known Tariq would be at the subway stop and would do something that could be interpreted as a crime. And how Ivan possibly got Walter's keys in the first place. And how someone as street smart as Tariq could see the apartment, which obviously belongs to a wealthy white person, and not realize that this was way above the lifestyle of an illegal immigrant and not see that it was obviously a scam. And why Tariq wasn't caught much earlier, if the feds were already on the lookout for him.

Things like that.



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