Why do you suppose they introduced an alternate universe into this new Star Trek?
I haven't seen the film. I've started "…into Darkness" but kind of losing interest. I read about the alternate universe here on the IMDB boards.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Easier to make things fit more to today's viewing audience. Star Trek was a new genre when it came out and they could do what they wanted. Following up with the movies they already had things mapped out so it was easy to follow.
With the re-boot, we've already seen how they all got there, so why tell it the same way again? Why not change it so it is a little more exciting?
I mean, I loved Star Trek TOS and TNG, but they aren't going to be able to have the same, detailed stories as they did before. Not if they want them to be watched and/or unless they are going to change actors as they go.
they aren't going to be able to have the same, detailed stories as they did before.
I assume you mean the same "type" of stories. What would be wrong with that? That's what Star Trek fans liked.
I read Roger Ebert's review and I totally agree.
copying the same stories as TOSI don't understand. Why would they do the same stories? share
Why would anything be different, if nothing was different? How would the events change if nothing changed?
It is kind of a coincidence that they still encountered Khan even though things had changed, but they didn't encounter him in the same way they had in the TV show.
Had Spock/Nero not changed what happened, there is no reason why they wouldn't have encountered Khan at the same time, place, circumstances as they did in the TV show.
Hope that makes a little more sense.
I still don't understand. There were at least 70 or so stories written or used for the first series. There's thousands more science fiction stories available -- a large percentage of which could be used for Star Trek or as a basis for Star Trek. And of course new stories can be written.
No reason at all to repeat any of the existing stories is there?
Imagine you go back and visit the playground your grand-father played on when he was a child. He used to get on the slide and ride it to the bottom.
You get on the slide, where do you go? To the same place.
Why? Because nothing is different.
Yes, they could use some of the stories which were written after TOS went off the air, but it will still be the same. Everyone will still have the same reaction as we are accustomed to. What surprises will there be when we know how everyone is going to react? It's one reason why re-boots usually fail. They can be a nice "comfort food" but there really isn't anything to them.
It was quite different to see this Spock lashing out in rage. Or Uhura being a strong character instead of "a pretty face just repeating what the computer said."
Exactly. Most movies and TV shows take place on earth, in pretty much our timeline. We don't need an alternative one to make new shows.
So many gaps to fill in the Enterprise/Kirk timeline, and they could just do some other in universe stories. But they have to go time travel in the first installment? Ugh.
Thanks for the reply, shoobe. That's just what I mean. And that's what I'd like. If we could only resurrect Shatner and the crew. How fun that could be.
Oh, man. Since I haven't gotten to nerd out on this for a while, here was my crazy idea for a restart, not that I do this for a living so anyone csared:
Back to basics. No, not TOS, but Horatio Hornblower. (Which Roddenberry said was a key story inspiration). From Wikipedia
...Later stories filled out his earlier years, starting with an unpromising beginning as a seasick midshipman. As the Napoleonic Wars progress, he gains promotion steadily as a result of his skill and daring, despite his initial poverty and lack of influential friends. After surviving many adventures in a wide variety of locales,...
Or, we'll just reboot and magically make the kids run the spaceship.
Yes, they could use some of the stories which were written after TOS went off the air, but it will still be the same. Everyone will still have the same reaction as we are accustomed to. What surprises will there be when we know how everyone is going to react? It's one reason why re-boots usually fail. They can be a nice "comfort food" but there really isn't anything to them.
It was quite different to see this Spock lashing out in rage. Or Uhura being a strong character instead of "a pretty face just repeating what the computer said."
Basically whatever the first reply said.
It's a confusing thing they decided to do but it works. Creating another timeline and/or universe allows for these new movies to not be remakes of TOS episodes. We can explore new stories with these characters. However with Into Darkness, they didn't really have this in mind.
I like the new movies though. Star Trek needed a new take on it given that Nemesis was the last TNG movie and Enterprise had been cancelled. The franchise need something to keep it going.
I think without these new movies, we wouldn't be having the upcoming new series Discovery.
I think Into Darkness suffered partially because Khan didn't look anything like Khan and it seemed silly that a guy who had been frozen for a couple hundred years and only thawed out for a year would be able to help create such an incredible ship.
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they wanted stories from the old shows, but didn't want to be constrained by its continuity. I wish they'd gone full reboot rather than a soft reboot.
"He's dusted, busted and disgusted, but he's ok"
Hi Krule, Thanks for the reply. I'd be interested to know what you mean by full reboot.
And also what do you mean by "continuity?" STNG had a continuing storyline. Is that what you're referring to?
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Full reboot, rather than a soft reboot is they didn't simply rewrite everything, but kept some aspects of the old show, like Leonard Nimoy. Why bother bringing people in from the old universe into the new?
Continuity is acknowledging what has come before, like if you are doing a show set before star trek (eg Star Trek:Enterprise), you shouldn't add elements that came in during the other show or in later shows. In the original star trek show, Kirk met Khan and stranded him on a remote planet. it wasn't until Kirk was an old man when Khan came back to kill him in the epic Star Trek 2: Wrath of Khan (which Into Darkness copies a lot from)
"He's dusted, busted and disgusted, but he's ok"
Well if this video is correct, it had to be “25% different” than original Trek
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K828aSkhRHk
I think one reason is, they couldn't bring back some of the actors to play the original characters because they are either really old, or dead, and the story called for seeing the characters when they were young, healthy, and starting their careers in Starfleet. Second, JJ wanted a fresh new look for "Star Trek" and part of that involved updating the Enterprise, the tech, the people, the culture of the Federation, and the story itself. It's easier for long-time fans to take in if it's in an alternate universe that's similar to our own, but not quite, compared to trying to sell this as the same as the original series, which it isn't.
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