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Very Watchable, But...


I love most films by Marty(In fact I'm big on all of them except for Boxcar really and this new one.), and there are many great aspects to this film. It's beautiful to look at, the acting is great, but honestly, this seemed to me to be such a weak script. I see people here saying there was lots of depth in the film and that it's about faith, but the script is overly silly it seemed to me. Garfield's character didn't even have that much belief in his God it seemed until he was challenged. Like he had more of a pride issue or even a fear issue than real faith. It seemed like a such a joke to me. Honestly, I feel this is Marty's worst overall film yet by a good margin, just because the story was so hollow. I didn't find the film boring at all, but there was nothing to grab onto here unless you're a Christian of some sort, and even then I'm not so sure. The ending was so predictable as well, and it felt cheap as if I was watching a cheesy low budget film or something. Plain and simple, I felt the writing was terrible.




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worse than Kun Dun? I found that one on the boring side and other films had already covered the Dalai Lama's story. I felt the DiCapirio period was weak except for Wolf of Wall Street.

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I thought Rodrigues was clearly very touched to find those underground christians undergoing horrible persecution and living conditions to preserve their faith. Where he came from, not only was catholicism dominant, but present everywhere: churches, priests, medals, bibles, etc... from the greatest city to the smallest village. When he arrives in Japan, he finds christians who only understand the basic principles of the religion, have no priests to help or guide them, don't even know if there are others around in the region, and are still holding on to their faith in a context of enormous danger.

Basically everything he takes from granted back home isn't there, but these people are still undoubtedly more loyal than most people he knows in Europe. More than touched, he was very humbled, even going as far as saying they had "more faith than any of us".
Just to have an idea, christianity was outlawed and Japan isolated itself around this time, but more than 200 years later (19th century), when it opened up again, europeans went there and were absolutely flabbergasted to find out plenty of christians who had secretly preserved their religion for 2 centuries with no priests, doing everything among themselves.

Of course in times of distress he was turning more and more intensively to God, as many people do, even going a bit mad. The issue of whether it was true faith or pride, loyalty or cruelty to his fellow christians was precisely one of the questions of this film, and part of his internal struggle.
The part I found more unbelievable was precisely how he seemed to completely shut christianity out of his life forever so easily, when it had been his whole essence up to that point.

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I agree with basically all you've said. I must say though that it seemed quite clear that these Japanese held onto their belief in hope of paradise, instead of hell or even nothingness. All in all, the main motivations seemed to be desire for themselves and fear. To me these are not deep aspects of faith in God at all. That's part of the reason I feel the film was so hollow/shallow.




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The promise of eternal life was one of the main reasons for the success of christianity's expansion, even in Roman times, so I do not see the Japanese as being fundamentally different from other converted people. Saying people adhere out of fear of their mortality is something that can be discussed about anyone I'm afraid... but they seemed very sincere, in the sense that even if they somehow made a parallel with their native beliefs (God=the sun, etc), for people that never came into contact with Christianity, worshipping or even respecting a God that incarnated in a humble and poor human, suffered like a human and was completely humiliated and died like a thief is often a very big obstacle. We do not know any different, but it is not so obvious to other peoples - it was a real motive of derision in the early days (see Alexamenos graffito).

I have not read the book but I think Scorsese probably adapted it faithfully which is why I don't really blame the film for the portrayal.

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Garfield's character didn't even have that much belief in his God it seemed until he was challenged. - - [/i] Yes. And?

[i]Like he had more of a pride issue or even a fear issue than real faith.[/i]

Perhaps. Your point being?

[i]I didn't find the film boring at all, but there was nothing to grab onto here unless you're a Christian of some sort,and even then I'm not so sure


So what? Believe it or not, some Christians can appreciate the irony and the lessons to be learnt from the shortcomings and the sins of even the most faithful. Whether that faith is self proclaimed or not.

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fairly boring

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I am not a Christian. I have a background in Christianity and I know these histories are true. What really reached me about this movie was wondering how awful the world view of the average Japanese must have been to have their souls reach out so strongly to Christianity and even be willing to die for it. What were the horrors of that society at the time, and thank God it is in the past. The situation is sort of the reverse today with Islam, but in general the religious "gene" fascinates me though I am not sure how to really look at it in a modern context.

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