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Could GOD be S15 big bad?

posted 5 years ago by Bella-UK (1282)
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I was adamant the season was going to end with heaven falling and all the souls falling to Earth. Apparently instead, God becomes a villain and all the souls Sam and Dean have spent 14 years damning to Hell are back.

In a season where everyone thought that Michael and then Jack would be the Big Bad, no one predicted the Big Bad would actually be God himself. And I’m kind of into it. The final Big Bad of the series is God? How awesome is this storytelling going to be?

I kind of get where this author is coming from now I know what the zombie souls were. Are we still any the wiser? Do you really want to see GOD as the big EVER BAD? Thoughts. ...

[–] fishpan (544) 5 years ago

Thing is, I always took it as God always being the sort of big bad. Even if it was in a sort of 'why the don't you sort your shit out because you are fucking it up for everyone else.' sort of bad.

John was an arse at times but he never knowingly had Sam and Dean to sort out his other problems. God from what we now know created Lucifer, Michael, Gab and Raphael to deal with Amara knocking over his toy box. He had his kids to deal with his problems instead of dealing with it himself.

Then even if he wins he doesn't deal with his problems, he locks them away - Leviathans, Amara and Lucifer. He doesn't end them, he puts them in a box and hides from the consequences or runs from his responsibilities but still wants to be involved in a sense by dipping in and out and justifies it by saying he's a writer. Hell he made people to have free will for...reasons. What were those really - to entertain him. Then he'd get free will trampled on just to get his story going.

Because sometimes I can't help but ask did John and Mary really love each other, did they really choose to be together? We have seen how screwed up they were without each other but we've seen that in the show with beings forced to be in love. Now I get they maybe in heaven together in the show but I remember that cherub saying that John and Mary hated each other before the angels stepped in. So would John and Mary have entertained even sitting in the same coffee shop if it wasn't for God's story needing them to bump uglies back then?

That is why I sort of always took it that for God was always out to protect how he entertained himself in a way. From his justifying how he set things up,(then getting bored and deciding he was watching from the side lines or LARPing as Chuck). Then there was how he acted when others took to the consequences of him being entertained not as shits and giggles (Lucifer) and lastly what to do when things could possibly stop him being entertained - ie Amara and Jack.

[–] beauq81 (1017) 5 years ago

My thought is Supernatural is the ultimate atheist TV show. :D

[–] fishpan (544) 5 years ago

I don't know about atheist, but I like how shows like it and Lucifer sort of asking he existential questions such as 'Is God basically a bit of a dick when he wants to be'

Because either Chuck is the big bad or we are about to get a turn around of him manipulating things that Jack replaces him a top of the food chain with better support he had. But either way God is a bit of a dick. But in reality how can he be anything else - what is the point to anything as supposedly as powerful and eternal as God if not to find some way just to be entertained until he doesn't want to be entertained any longer

[–] beauq81 (1017) 5 years ago

My guess is that Jack will replace Chuck, or, at least, will try to, since Death and the Void want to make a deal with him. But what will Amara say?

[–] fishpan (544) 5 years ago

Do we know she is happy in Reno for a fact?

[–] beauq81 (1017) 5 years ago

:D
Well, if she is, she might have a problem with Chuck deciding to destroy it. But, then again, he is her brother.

[–] fishpan (544) 5 years ago

She may go - 'Siblings what are you going to do?' With regards to Reno.

But finding out about her baby great nephew got abused by his grandpa....well she may have something to say about that one. You never know with Amara

[–] Bella-UK (1282) 5 years ago

sort of asking he existential questions such as 'Is God basically a bit of a dick when he wants to be'

This is why in the past Dean has always said he thinks angels are Dicks, and now thinks God is one too. It still makes me wonder if all this time Sam and Dean have been angels all along. God's created them, and they've been his favourite TV show. Sort of makes sense. Sam hates the idea of being watched and looked down over. We've seen the boys posing as Lucifer and now Michael and are their chosen vessels, no one else in the whole wide world, just S&D coincidence, not? and I always suspected they were born to be a bigger power than what they are. Which sort of makes sense that they are protectors of Jack in a way too. This picture for me is finally falling into place. Amazing how the internet get help your mind click into place.

[–] beauq81 (1017) 5 years ago

Basically, Chuck is the Father of all dicks

[–] Bella-UK (1282) 5 years ago

Yes, Bea like all his children (archangels)

[–] fishpan (544) 5 years ago

Well the apple doesn't fall far from the tree does it.

Though I don't know about Sam and Dean being angels all along. They've known and seen to much to play that game - can't see Dean as a middle manager, which really is what heaven needs. Jack and either the likes of Anael or even better yet Crowley at his side to run heaven is what it needs - new blood and capability of management.

As for the brothers being are meant to be a greater power. I can see that - even if it is God being a dick and wanting to be entertained by watching the continually Sisyphean 'show' with a couple of guys he can root for.

Hell, even if God is now is essentially playing the long con, the brothers can be meant for a greater power. I say that as him using the brothers to create so much havoc and then himself break the balance that Death and the Empty to have enough band with the brothers and go after him. Basically have it that God has gotten to the point where he wants to commit suicide by Winchester so to speak, cause all he has is ways to entertain himself and he's bored. (Sure he reconnected with his sister - but a highlight was simply going to see Springsteen on Broadway and she's happy in Reno? Hadn't he already seen and done things like that?)

Though in the end for themselves I'd the brothers to 'break the wheel' so to speak - decide they want to end or to stick with humanity even if they didn't go to an afterlife - have them just be reincarnated together so they can make their own choices.