Um...weren't the Egyptians black?

The Ancient Egyptians were all shades just like the Egyptians of today are now.

Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.

No... More like "Brown"... The Egyptians descended from Noah's grandson (i.e. Ham's son) Mizraim who is listed second among the sons of Ham. (Ge 10:6) Mizraim was the progenitor of the Egyptian tribes (as well as some non-Egyptian tribes), and the name came to be synonymous with Egypt. (Ge 10:13, 14; 50:11) Thus, the word "Egypt" in English translations actually renders the Hebrew Mits·ra´yim (or Ma·tsohr´ in a few cases, 2Ki 19:24; Isa 19:6; 37:25; Mic 7:12). The Amarna Tablets, written in the first half of the second millennium B.C.E., refer to Egypt as Misri, similar to the modern Arabic name for the land (Misr).

The Black "African" ethnic group was descended from Ham's (i.e. which incidentally means, "brown" in Hebrew) son Cush and Put, NOT the cursed Canaan! Despite what white racist preachers teach "knowingly" INCORRECTLY to their unquestioning and unchallenging flocks! Egyptians were of various skin tones just like the ancient Hebrews were. The Israelis today IMO can not "legally" prove through Mitochondrial DNA (MtDNA) ANY such connection with the ancient Hebrews hence making the 1948 land grant by US President Truman to be very suspect, as the ancient Romans under Cestus Gallus destroyed ALL Israelite birth/death records in 70 C.E. I’m sorry if that pisses off some Jewish people… but IMO that is the truth (as I see it of course)!

Egyptians today, and some ancient ones, too are mainly of Arabic ancestry and not the central African ethnic groups as American Black amateur "arm-chair anthropologists" try to "guess at" incorrectly at (i.e. Farakhan et al). Black or "dark skin" Ethiopians and further southern Africans were kept as servants to ancient Egyptian royalty (i.e. Ethiopian Eunics, etc.). However, further south there were ancient reports of darker skin pharaohs, but not in Egypt. If you need a skin tone to base ancient Hebrews and ancient Egyptians look at the complexion of Hollywood actors like Denzel Washington (a medium toned Black man) to Rita Moreno (a lighter skin Puerto-Rican woman). IMHO Puerto-Ricans make excellent American castings for Hollywood movies about Arabic lands like Egypt and Israel (i.e. Palestine). Omar Sharif (i.e. Jethro) AKA "Michael Shalhoub" born in Alexandria Egypt in 1932 was an absolute perfect casting and skin tone for Jethro, Moses father-in-law! Dougray Scott (Moses) and Mía Maestro (Ziporah) were all wrong!!!

Incidentally Moses was born in 1593 B.C.E., in Egypt, being the son of Amram, the grandson of Kohath, and the great-grandson of Levi. His mother Jochebed was Kohath’s sister. Moses was three years younger than his brother Aaron. Miriam their sister was some years older.—Ex 6:16, 18, 20; 2:7. Therefore I believe that he was descendant of Noah's son Shem as were all Hebrews. IMO his skin tone was probably much like the medium brown skin toned Hollywood actor Will Smith (i.e. Muhammed Ali fame). Not much unlike Yeshuah Ben Joseph (Jesus) who too was a descendant of Shem (i.e. the word Semite) by way of his mother Mary. The people in Palestine have recently proven through MtDNA that they DO descend from ancient peoples like the Phoenicians (i.e. Tyre and Lebanon). It's time the Likud Party to step up and have thier people take the DNA "mouth swabs" and let Harvard University prove once and for all time who "they" are really from. My guess is that most of them descend from ancient northern Europeans and northern Asians not Hebrews or Semites. Look up on GOOGLE the "Cohanim Project" - modern DNA links to Moses' brother Aaron. As they say in poker: "Time to put up or shut up!"

The parts about skin tone are just IMHO. The rest is the Bible "thumping" truth! :-)

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I think the earlier, Egyptians were black. I mean we have Nefertiti's bust that clearly shows as one person has already stated, she was both black and beautiful. Part of the problem surfacing here, is that anything of importance that blacks have contributed is swept under the rug. I mean if you ask many people, especially children..most dont have a clue where Egypt is.. its like it is its own continent..anything but refer to it being in and apart of Africa.

Moses didn't look like the guy in this movie, nor did he look like Chuck Heston. And it is probably fairer to say, he looked far more like Denzil then he did Chuck. The point is that any one of importance that might have been black is showed as white or we take the safer line and go with someone darker (Liz Taylor for example and yes I know Cleo was Greek and that far back they were far darker then Liz..). Since we are speaking of the bible in regards to some of this, the Bible clearly says what Jesus looks like.. He had curly hair like wool..etc...look it up for yourself.. The discription is ignored, and clearly describes him of being of a black descent. If the bible flat out said he was black for those that can't figure it out..it probably would have been either stricken from the book or quoated as being wrong. I myself dont know any white person that fits that..I have not seen one movie, one tv show one picture that follows what the bible said. If it did, there would be a uprising of how untrue it is..

As to Moses, wasn't he and Jesus both of the same descent? If the bible describes what Jesus looks like and Moses and jesus were of the same race..and Moses manage to pass as Egyptian... we now sholve it under the rug and say well he passed because his position was to high in the royal house?

Many things people see as fact are being challenged everyday. For instance the age of the pyramids, and the sphinx being far older then originally stated. Once an idea that is globally accepted is true and fact has been laid down, few will go out on the limb to say oh this is wrong..this will rewrite history. Tell a lie enough times it becomes truth.. Well it doesn't really, but dont rely on this board or what people tell you. If you really want to know, do your own research..

The Black Egyptians are the original settlers of KMT. "The native Sudanese are one of the original pigmented Arabs in that region. They are members of the same ethnic family with the ancient Egyptians, the Ethiopians, the Southern Arabians, and the primitive inhabitants of Babylon. All founders and sustainers of the mighty Nilotic civilization we still admire today. They are very great nation of Blacks, who did rule almost over all Africa and Asia in a very remote era, in fact beyond the reach of history of any of our records.

Egypt is a Greek word meaning “Black.”
bullet The Egyptians of the Bible were Negroid.
bullet The bible says both Egyptians and Ethiopians are descendants of Ham.
bullet Arabs invaded Egypt in the 7th Century AD; therefore,
bullet Arabs have no more connection to Ancient Egypt than Europeans have to Ancient America.
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Black Egyptians were eventually mixed with invading Libyans, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Turks, Arabs and Western Europeans. That is where the mixed people of the modern-day Arabs come from.



The following is supporting evidence from The African Origin of Civilization: by: Cheikh Anta Diop



1.

Evidence from Physical Anthropology
The skeletons and skulls of the Ancient Egyptians clearly reflect they were Negroid people with features very similar to those of modern Black Nubians and other people of the Upper Nile and of East Africa.

2. Melanin Dosage Test
Egyptologist Cheikh Anta Diop invented a method for determining the level of melanin in the skin of human beings. When conducted on Egyptian mummies in the Museum of Man in Paris, this test indicated these remains were of Black people.

3. Osteological Evidence
"Lepsius canon," which distinguishes the bodily proportions of various racial groups categories the "ideal Egyptian" as "short-armed and of Negroid or Negrito physical type."

4. Evidence From Blood Types
Diop notes that even after hundreds of years of inter-mixture with foreign invaders, the blood type of modern Egyptians is the "same group B as the populations of western Africa on the Atlantic seaboard and not the A2 Group characteristic of the white race prior to any crossbreeding."

5. The Egyptians as They Saw Themselves
"The Egyptians had only one term to designate themselves =kmt= the Negroes (literally). This is the strongest term existing in the Pharaonic tongue to indicate blackness; it is accordingly written with a hieroglyph representing a length of wood charred at the end and not crocodile scales," singular. ‘Kmt’ from the adjective =kmt= black; it therefore means strictly Negroes or at the very least black men. The term is a collective noun which thus described the whole people of Pharaonic Egypt as a black people."

6. Divine Epithets
Diop demonstrates that "black or Negro" is the divine epithet invariably used for the chief beneficent Gods of Egypt, while the evil spirits were depicted as red.

7. Evidence From the Bible

The Bible states that "…[t]he sons of Ham [were] Cush and Mizraim [i.e. Egypt], and Phut, and Canaan. And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah and Sabtechah." According to Biblical tradition, Ham, of course, was the father of the Black race. "Generally speaking all semitic tradition (Jewish and Arab) class ancient Egypt with the countries of the black."

8. Cultural unity of Egypt With The Rest of Africa
Through a study of circumcision and totemism. Diop gives detailed data showing cultural unity between Egypt and the rest of Africa.

9. Linguistic Unity With Southern and Western Africa
In a detailed study of languages, Diop clearly demonstrates that Ancient Egyptian, modern Coptic of Egypt and Walaf of West Africa are related, with the latter two having their origin in the former.

10. Testimony of Classical Greek and Roman Authors
Virtually all of the early Latin eyewitnesses described the Ancient Egyptians as Black skinned with wooly hair.

After the conquest of Egypt by Alexander, under the Ptolemies, crossbreeding between white Greeks and black Egyptians flourished. "Nowhere was Dionysus more favored, nowhere was he worshiped more adoringly and more elaborately than by the Ptolemies, who recognized his cult as an especially effective means of promoting the assimilation of the conquering Greeks and their fusion with the native Egyptians." {Endnote 15: J. J. Bachofen, Pages choisies par Adrien Turel, "Du Regne de la mere au patriarcat." Paris: F. Alcan, 1938, p. 89.}

These facts prove that if the Egyptian people had originally been white, it might well have remained so. If Herodotus found it still black after so much crossbreeding, it must have been basic black at the start.

Before examining the contradictions circulating in the modern era and resulting from attempts to prove at any price that the Egyptians were Whites, let us note the comments of Count Constantin de Volney (1757-1820). After being imbued with all the prejudices we have just mentioned with regard to the Negro, Volney had gone to Egypt between 1783 and 1785, he reported the Egyptian Race is the very race that had produced the Pharaohs: the Copts (p. 27).

“All have a bloated face, puffed up eyes, flat nose, and thick lips; in a word, the true face of the mulatto. I was tempted to attribute it to the climate, but when I visited the Sphinx; its appearance gave me the key to the riddle. On seeing that head, typically Negro in all its features, I remembered the remarkable passage where Herodotus says: "As for me, I judge the Colchians to be a colony of the Egyptians because, like them, they are black with woolly hair. ..." We can see how their blood, mixed for several centuries with that of the Romans and Greeks, must have lost the intensity of its original color, while retaining nonetheless the imprint of its original mold. We can even state as a general principle that the face is a kind of monument able, in many cases, to attest or shed light on historical evidence on the origins of peoples. {End quote}

When Egypt was invaded by Arabs - Egypt suffered turbulent times when, in 609 AD, the country had sided with Nicetas, a lieutenant of Heraclius, in the rebellion against the emperor Phocas. Only shortly after Heraclius overthrew Phocas, the Byzantines were attacked by the Persians. The armies of the Sasanid King Khosrau II invaded Egypt, inflicting cruel suffering upon its some of its inhabitants. This Persian occupation lasted six years.

foxyfabu,

First of all, the proper name for the entire region is the Near & Middle East, although it is often shortened to "Mid-East".
There are many non-Arabic speaking countries within this region, such as Israel, where Hebrew is the dominant language; Iran, where Farsi is the dominant language; and Turkey, where Turkish is the dominant language. Aramaic, Armenian, Berber, Kurdish, and even Greek are also spoken in various places throughout the region.
North Africa - including Egypt, part of Sudan, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, and Morocco - is considered to be part of the Near & Middle East as well. The majority of the people in North Africa consider themselves to be Arabs, and speak Arabic (although there is also a significant number of people who are Berbers who - of course - speak Berber).
You seem to be under the impression that there is a language called "African". However, this is not the case. There are well over a thousand languages spoken on the Continent of Africa, and most of them are a member of one of the following four distinct families of languages: Afro-Asiatic, Nilo-Saharan, Niger-Congo (which is further sub-divided into Niger-Congo A & Niger-Congo B), and Khoi-San. There are also a significant number of speakers of Indo-European languages (yet another family of languages), including English, French, Portuguese, and Afrikaans. Malagasy, a member of the Austronesian family of languages, is spoken on Madagascar.
Therefore, Arabic (an Afro-Asiatic language) can be considered a language of Africa (although it did not originate there) since a significant number of people on the Continent of Africa speak it (although most of its speakers live elsewhere).
Also, I disagree with your statement that the majority of people on this thread agree that the Ancient Egyptians were of the same race as "Black" Sub-Saharan Africans. I would say that the majority of people that have posted on this thread that are informed and educated on the issue would not agree with that statement at all.
Finally, you have misunderstood the poster to whom you were responding (although I can’t understand how or why). Although I strongly disagree with that person and highly doubt the accuracy of their information, they were not calling anyone an animal. They were saying that because of the way a certain group of people has supposedly been treated by their alleged persecutors, they have supposedly been forced to live like animals. The statement was intended to garner sympathy for the people who have supposedly been forced to live like animals. The poster’s sympathies clearly lie with these people.
"Racist" is a very ugly and very serious thing to call someone, and it is not something that should be done lightly.

The ancient peoples of kmt (egypt) were indeed indigenous Africans...not Asian, not Europeans. Point blank!

To discuss it further please go here: Egyptsearch.com

For those believing in an Asian and European origin to the Nile Valley Civilizations...be prepared to get your azzez thoroughly whipped. That is, if you are brave enough.

oh my god who put this idea in you heads guys Egyptian were black . this is the frist time i hear that and i am egyptian coptic descent from the ancient egyptain and very weak greek origin so what is this you are saying and i read egyptian history more than once and i never heard that doesn't mean that we aren't proud that we are African even if we aren't black
also there one of wrong ideas of the immigrant people who inhabited egypt and made it's great ancient civilization